Posted on Sep 8, 2015
COL Jon Thompson
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This article from Military.com talks about some of the efforts that the National Commission on the Future of the Army is looking at for the future of the Army. Anyone who has served in the Army knows that relationships between the active component, the Army Reserve, and the National Guard are still somewhat fractured. What can each component do to change that culture? Also, what can the reserve components do to respond more quickly in a national emergency? We learned a lot of lessons over the past 14 years so how do we implement those and make sure the Army remain's combat ready even with the drawdown.


http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/09/08/effort-to-bring-army-national-guard-closer-results-in-redesign.html
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MAJ Ken Landgren
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I served with a NG unit for a couple years and noticed the unit was often committed to administrative and mandatory briefs. There was really not much training being conducted.
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I am just stating what I observed.
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Bingo. Mandatory means mandatory, not important.
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MAJ Ken Landgren
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The bigger the unit the TLP becomes poorer, the confusion higher, and the more make up training, briefs, admin items must be done for those who miss the original training.
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MAJ Ken Landgren
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Maybe briefs one day and training the other day. LTC (Join to see)
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LTC Chief, Relocation Plans
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Make annual mandatory training requirements occur every 5 years. Currently there are more hours of mandatory training than available in 40 days of drill/AT. Why are we surprised when readiness falls or it takes forever to train up past team-level skills?

Make all schools the same -- if a box of books or a two-week DL course can make an officer CCC qualified in the Reserves, then why are we wasting funds sending AC officers away for 4+ months? (This is a little tongue in cheek -- I believe the answer is the opposite, and we won't find satisfactory training in this method ... And will need all personnel to attend in residence.)

Acknowledge and ensure all Soldiers understand the purpose of each component and what it is designed to do. When AC folks get in a bunch bc the RC has train up time, they demonstrate lack of understanding for their own organization.
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COL Jon Thompson
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I like that idea of reducing the annual training requirements to something less than that. I know those are easy to measure for the report card vs. training on your mission. In my last unit, we failed miserably in my opinion. Maybe even combining BAs into super BAs 6Xyear to give more training time to battle tasks.
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LTC Chief, Relocation Plans
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There are a few commands where they do this -- I know the 9th MSC has policies that support their personnel manning by allowing Soldiers from the mainland to come over and do drills in bulk. Also, that's the normal plan for IMAs -- believe we'd be better off with longer BAs, but there's definitely more planning necessary to keep everyone engaged.
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The good thing is that USARC finally is allowing commanders to accept risk "mandatory training requirements," save eight (safety, suicide prevention, SHARP, etc.). The rest can, with justification, can be requested to the first O6 in the chain if commanders are willing to accept risk and can justify why.

Haven't tried it yet, but Injust got wind of this at PCC and am about to get a staff drill down on this to see what we can push to the right and what to focus on for the next TY. We'll see how it works!
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SSG Warren Swan
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1. Senior leadership buy in. No matter what comes down, when the troops see their superiors arguing and bickering publicly it undermines whatever policy they could put in place. Make one unified team and run with it. Keep your differences to yourself and away from the congressmen and news reporters.
2. Top down mindset change. Even with a unified front, if those who will put ideals to the pavement (COL-CSM) are still of the old mindset, they'll do it because they have to; not because they want to. We need to make them do it, but make it so they want to do it.
3. Enforce the regulations throughout the service. Too many time I've seen what the AC does gets knocked down because that's not how the NG, RC troops do it, and vice versa. If it's a AR, DA PAM, FM or whatever the AC Army leadership provides, it's the law of the services, and not to be interpreted by the state leadership in any manner that is inconsistent with what Army leadership provides. But in the same breath, the AC leadership needs to understand how the states regulations can affect the desires and directives of AC leadership.
4. This might not be fun to some, but I think promotions should be the same as the AC. No more of the eternal SPC's that are 50 years old and their date of rank was before I was born with no breaks in service. The AC promotion schools should be attended by all components. Same standards, same levels of instruction. The attendee's can test out in certain cases based upon experience, but SGM Academy, First Sergeants School, and officers mandatory schools should be mando attendance. Build the team with one set of schooling that mirrors each other. The time the NG/RC troops are attending these schools could count towards their weekend/AT time, so it could help rather than hinder.
5. Stop using the NG/RC as the dumping grounds for outdated AC equipment. This I've seen personally, and that's not right. If we expect them to fight alongside us on equal terms, how can they do that with M-1's and we're using M-4's? Or using Shermans and we're using Abrams? (example not reality) If the AC cannot use it, there is a reason why. That shouldn't be an instant reason to dump crap equipment on anyone else with upgrading the equipment to serviceable standards or DRMO'ing the equipment.
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COL Jon Thompson
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A lot of good points. As long as there are different standards whether it is professional development courses, training, and equipping, the RC will not be seen as equal partners. All officers go to the same BOLC after commissioning. After that, the paths diverge with most RC officers doing a combination of distance learning and ADT to complete the Captains Career Course. Yet we expect them to be as proficient as an AC Captain. Thanks for your reply.
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How can the Army's three components work more closely together?
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A few months ago a few things were mentioned, but one that stuck out to me was:

1) Align every state with a "contingency zone" or region of the world. Train like you'll fight.

2) Everyone becomes Army Reserve or National Guard. No exceptions. You might be on "Reserve orders" or "Active Duty orders" but no more "Regular Army." It's a heck of a lot easier to inflate/deflate reservists than active duty folks. It will also get us back to the Constitutional "intent" of the Army Clause.

3) National Guard is CA, Reserve is CS/CSS.

4) During initial commitment, you are on Active Duty orders (unless you specifically join as a "reservist"). From there on out, you get augmented for the remainder of your career.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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COL Jon Thompson I don't disagree, however I think as the de facto militia of the States we run into the issue of the States losing the CA component entirely.

I think having three components is what is really creating this major tug of war that could be resolved if we stripped it down to two, even if both were CA/CS/CSS "mirrors" of each other. Two many many demands, pulling too many directions simultaneously... The other services don't really have that issue as near as I can tell.
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One of the important reasons the NG has so much Combat Arms force structure is because of the state mission. When you have a disturbance, or need someone to build a sandbag wall, you need Soldiers. And lots of them. And Governors want that capability to have an 800 Soldier Infantry battalion to do those things. Another reason is the historical role of the State's militias. Lastly, after Desert Storm, DA deliberately divested the Army Reserve of the Combat Arms mission, deciding that it would belong exclusively to the ARNG. The ARNG role of a strategic, combat arms reserve is vital. How broken would the Active Component be if they didn't have ARNG units to call upon during the GWOT? There's NO WAY the AC & USMC could have managed GWOT commitments, Bosnia/Kosovo, MFO, etc without the ARNG. You can't "grow" Combat Arms units as fast as you can grow CS/CSS units.
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Transporters, and engineers would serve the Governor's much better than an HBCT with Abrams and Bradleys.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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MAJ (Join to see) - Concur. The concept likely can't use the simple CA/CS/CSS split. I thought it was a novel and simplistic approach to the "too many hands in the cookie jar" issue that seems to exist. However, I bet some variation of it could come close to feasible.

As you said, a Governor doesn't really need tanks, but added logistics capabilities, or MPs would definitely be welcome. Figuring out the "perfect cheeseburger" as Cheech & Chong would say.
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1SG Michael Blount
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Somewhat fractured? SOMEWHAT?? How about broke, sir! Commissions like this remind me of elephants mating - lots of noise, little gets done
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COL Jon Thompson
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1SG Michael Blount I did see improvements in the tri-part relationship over my 30 years. But there is a long way to go and I feel like it will be going to the way it was before 2001 as the combat veterans leave.
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1SG Michael Blount
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COL Jon Thompson - I'm one of the combat vets being forced out, sir. What I get pissed off purple about is these decisions are being made by people three echelons above reality who make pretty Power Point slides and can't think their way out of a phone booth. We're right back where we started from in the 2000-01 timeframe, tossing or ignoring 15 years' experience in the process.
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Sir, I encourage you to look up Operation Carolina Thunder. It is a joint exercise that has gone on two years now and this last iteration was at Ft Bragg and included the 82nd ABN, Special Operations forces, NCARNG artillery and aviation units, SCARNG aviation units, and Alabama aviation units. I have not seen a better example of common multi-component training to date, and I say that even after a rotation to JRTC in 2014.
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Another good example is NORTHERN STRIKE in Michigan. NS usually brings in SOF elements, USAF, ARNG, and NATO partners.
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I'd like to combine the ARFORGEN Models with the old War Trace cycle.

Basically USARC ceases to be a commanding unit and their subordinate units fall under an active duty war trace HQ. Each active duty unit will have a Reserve HQ element to provide Command and separate budget from the AC, (those Reserve slots for the Active Brigades + would come from the USARC TDA. The Battalion's and Companies under the Brigades will have either one AC unit or two RC units separated by opposing ARFORGEN cycles. USARC or USARB would plan training for the ARFORGEN 1-3 units while the AC units planning combined training for their AC units and RC ARFORGEN 4-6 units.

The biggest benefit to me is your HQ would actually be interested in the RC units' ability to perform it's mission as currently USARC only cares about mobilization metrics (there is no tracking other than canned USR reports to track CATS performance)

The allocations could be on a tiered system with Tier 1 being complete AC units structured for rapid response like the 82nd, rangers, and rapid deployment units. Tier 2 would be combined AC/RC units with a 3 month mobilization lead time. Then Tier 3 units consisting of all RC used primarily as augmentation forces (medical units, contract support) and units like the National Guard BCT's for wartime emergencies.

The major benefits is you have your designed HQ who would be the same unit you deploy with. The sistered RC units would naturally bolster deployment strengths and could even share equipment in storage.
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CPT Ahmed Faried
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Combined annual exercises. Think NTC but with all components represented.
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CW3 Mobility Officer
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It's difficult to ease the tensions that are between the components. Not sure why it's there but it is. As for the second half of the post it's not an easy answer but EDRE exercises will do the trick. My old unit always had two units on standby we could get a unit out the door with in 36 hours so it can be done it's just getting started the funding for the training .
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COL Jon Thompson
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1SG Michael Blount - I was privileged to command a USAR BCT battalion so I know what you did as a Drill Sergeant. Thanks for your service and to making future warriors into Soldiers.
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COL Jon Thompson - Sir,
The units are Chemical units that are on call for state side emergencies. I was the Mobility Warrant for the 209th RSG. I actually think that time line can be reduced by even more with the Brigade setting up a Tiger team that is on standby at all times. with that in place I can see a time frame of 24 hours or less for a ground movement, and the 48 for air and that is just due to having to allocate the air craft. You need a strong staff but the time line can be completed.
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COL Jon Thompson
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CW3 (Join to see) A point I get from your discussion is the importance of thinking in terms of real world missions. When I was the S3/XO of a PSYOP unit, we were deploying Soldiers to Bosnia and Kosovo prior to 9-11 so we had that focus (not that short of a string though). Moving from there to the training side of the USAR, it was much difference albeit the missions were completely different. I think if Commanders can instill the sense of mission into RC units, most of the Soldiers will respond. I think it also has to be backed up with METL based training. You can't tell Soldiers to be ready and then spend your valuable training time doing everything but what is important.
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Sir, I absolutely agree with you on that. I think it is something the RC has gotten away from. We need to get back to leading the way when it comes to our MOS skill set that is something that I think is really lacking in some RC units today.
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I think that we have proven we can work well, after all the RC/NG components have taken a chunk out of the operation of these wars since 2003. We have all been called up numerous times.
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