Posted on Jun 26, 2021
How come the Constitition Preamble and Declaration of Independence are not used more often when analyzing on Rallypoint?
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We Swear an Oath to Defend it and nothing else, the Constitution Preamble. I could spend a lifetime here wondering and expanding on what has happened to our focus. Are any systems of government created with any checklist if they are meeting the standard set forth in the Constitution Preamble and Declaration of Independence?
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We did NOT swear an oath to defend the Constitution Preamble. We swore an oath to defend the Constitution. Big diff.
The Constitution Preamble is simply to explain the purpose of the Constitution, a road map. The remainder of the Constitution and the amendments explain how we will accomplish that purpose.
Also, it is up to the Courts and the voters to decide if any government agency is "meeting the standards" set by the Constitution.
The Declaration of Independence has no legal binding. It was a declaration directed toward the British monarchy.
The Constitution Preamble is simply to explain the purpose of the Constitution, a road map. The remainder of the Constitution and the amendments explain how we will accomplish that purpose.
Also, it is up to the Courts and the voters to decide if any government agency is "meeting the standards" set by the Constitution.
The Declaration of Independence has no legal binding. It was a declaration directed toward the British monarchy.
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PO3 Aaron Hassay
I believe the Constitutions Preamble is in-fact the most important fundamental part that has been forgotten or not utilized.
It is part of the Constitution. It is the first part.
Surely people understand free speech and the right to own a gun. But there is so much more to the fundamentals of a society and how to build a healthy community. The preamble covers this.
I add the general statement of the Declaration of Independence, because to me this is a similar statement to the Preamble.
The courts and the voters are actually all the citizens of We The People.
I think things got really tricky when they talk of we the people in a new country the United States that was still interacting with the old world history of slavery where the west African Kings and Queens would actually capture their own people and sell for profit their own people for Slavery to Arabs and Europeans.
Who cares about Africa or Arabs or Europeans. Still it is people selling and using people.
We the People is not mentioned enough.
Why not?
So if you actually delegitimize or minimize such a profound statement then well a self check should be rendered.
I can say my own battle was when I went to the VA for the first time about 8 years ago and was told I qualified for nothing, not even a homeless house voucher. I had signed a reserve enlistment 8 year obligation. Someone created a 8 year federal contract for a 18 year old to sign, and not tell them their are all these really important qualifiers as a veteran for veteran purpose, but their is no limits to how you can be used over those 8 years.
If this at all makes the mark of the trajectory set by the preamble and the Declaration of Independence then well I will challenge that all day.
I will defend the constitution and its preamble.
They say be proud of your service.
But then they say that Vietnam Combat Vets were basically the lost forgotten crowd of that military mix.
My dad was actually a Vietnam VET I found out later in life.
I was told I missed by 1 year any benefit as his son, due to the illness created by his service, which basically left his whole family struggle.
They say have pride in your service then you get to the end of 8 year obligation in a reserve enlistment and told you don’t qualify for anything.
Again how does this scenario fit any of the ideas and ideals of what the Preamble and Declaration of Independence?
At the same time there are literally 100 other countries and an open border policy stating help and sympathy for people from other countries to support in federal aid.
Look did I say something Unpatriotic hear?
It is part of the Constitution. It is the first part.
Surely people understand free speech and the right to own a gun. But there is so much more to the fundamentals of a society and how to build a healthy community. The preamble covers this.
I add the general statement of the Declaration of Independence, because to me this is a similar statement to the Preamble.
The courts and the voters are actually all the citizens of We The People.
I think things got really tricky when they talk of we the people in a new country the United States that was still interacting with the old world history of slavery where the west African Kings and Queens would actually capture their own people and sell for profit their own people for Slavery to Arabs and Europeans.
Who cares about Africa or Arabs or Europeans. Still it is people selling and using people.
We the People is not mentioned enough.
Why not?
So if you actually delegitimize or minimize such a profound statement then well a self check should be rendered.
I can say my own battle was when I went to the VA for the first time about 8 years ago and was told I qualified for nothing, not even a homeless house voucher. I had signed a reserve enlistment 8 year obligation. Someone created a 8 year federal contract for a 18 year old to sign, and not tell them their are all these really important qualifiers as a veteran for veteran purpose, but their is no limits to how you can be used over those 8 years.
If this at all makes the mark of the trajectory set by the preamble and the Declaration of Independence then well I will challenge that all day.
I will defend the constitution and its preamble.
They say be proud of your service.
But then they say that Vietnam Combat Vets were basically the lost forgotten crowd of that military mix.
My dad was actually a Vietnam VET I found out later in life.
I was told I missed by 1 year any benefit as his son, due to the illness created by his service, which basically left his whole family struggle.
They say have pride in your service then you get to the end of 8 year obligation in a reserve enlistment and told you don’t qualify for anything.
Again how does this scenario fit any of the ideas and ideals of what the Preamble and Declaration of Independence?
At the same time there are literally 100 other countries and an open border policy stating help and sympathy for people from other countries to support in federal aid.
Look did I say something Unpatriotic hear?
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No mention of obeying the Preamble in the current version. https://www.thebalancecareers.com/oath-of-enlistment-3354049
The Required U.S. Armed Forces Oath of Enlistment
Members of the Armed Force of the United States must take the enlistment oath before enlisting and re-enlisting for service in the military.
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PO3 Aaron Hassay
Glad you brought to up.
The Constitution Preamble is actually part of the Constitution. It is to be discussed and defended.
It to me is the most fundamental part.
If that is analyzed and actually followed in your decorum then all the other little parts set forth in the rest would naturally fall in place.
I am interested in how the Constition is so hard to change. It is federal law.
Well Federal law is USC and CFR to be more exact also.
USC and CFR are listed as the references to every created Military instruction.
The Constitution created 3 branches of government. The most important to me, that can be accessed as a normal guy in the streets, and even in jail, in defense of injustice, is the justice system, where you can walk a Pro Per in and a judge will review.
We have a great form of government when analyzed that way.
But I am still really taken back that military funding in manpower and training is sometimes if not all the time the place that is defunded or whittled down to get more output with less man.
This downward crush has society problems
Not fully funding manpower
Or Allowing for any loopholes from the observance of occupational and operational stress injury caused by certain military duty assignement’s is how I would start to utilize between right and wrong, using the Preamble and Declaration of Independence.
One simply asks does this certain funding, or this certain instruction, or law, etc etc etc meet the standards of the preamble or the Declaration of Independence.
For example one could always discuss We The People in discussion and not make race talk the norm.
It starts with you you it starts with Us It starts with We The People following a code of conduct.
I can not imagine a more plain well spoken well formulated concept, that does not utilize race Baiting, for forming a society then the Preamble or the Declaration of Independence.
How does one defend the Constitution if you never discus it?
The Constitution Preamble is actually part of the Constitution. It is to be discussed and defended.
It to me is the most fundamental part.
If that is analyzed and actually followed in your decorum then all the other little parts set forth in the rest would naturally fall in place.
I am interested in how the Constition is so hard to change. It is federal law.
Well Federal law is USC and CFR to be more exact also.
USC and CFR are listed as the references to every created Military instruction.
The Constitution created 3 branches of government. The most important to me, that can be accessed as a normal guy in the streets, and even in jail, in defense of injustice, is the justice system, where you can walk a Pro Per in and a judge will review.
We have a great form of government when analyzed that way.
But I am still really taken back that military funding in manpower and training is sometimes if not all the time the place that is defunded or whittled down to get more output with less man.
This downward crush has society problems
Not fully funding manpower
Or Allowing for any loopholes from the observance of occupational and operational stress injury caused by certain military duty assignement’s is how I would start to utilize between right and wrong, using the Preamble and Declaration of Independence.
One simply asks does this certain funding, or this certain instruction, or law, etc etc etc meet the standards of the preamble or the Declaration of Independence.
For example one could always discuss We The People in discussion and not make race talk the norm.
It starts with you you it starts with Us It starts with We The People following a code of conduct.
I can not imagine a more plain well spoken well formulated concept, that does not utilize race Baiting, for forming a society then the Preamble or the Declaration of Independence.
How does one defend the Constitution if you never discus it?
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The Constitution is organized into three parts. The first part, the Preamble, describes the purpose of the document and the Federal Government. The second part, the seven Articles, establishes how the Government is structured and how the Constitution can be changed. The third part, the Amendments, lists changes to the Constitution; the first 10 are called the Bill of Rights.
Now, progressives will write and say that the preamble is not important and that it is not "part" of the Constitution. Pretty clever for people who demand a revised history.
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The word “preamble,” while accurate, does not quite capture the full importance of this provision. “Preamble” might be taken—we think wrongly—to imply that these words are merely an opening rhetorical flourish or frill without meaningful effect. To be sure, “preamble” usefully conveys the idea that this provision does not itself confer or delineate powers of government or rights of citizens. Those are set forth in the substantive articles and amendments that follow in the main body of the Constitution’s text. It was well understood at the time of enactment that preambles in legal documents were not themselves substantive provisions and thus should not be read to contradict, expand, or contract the document’s substantive terms.
But that does not mean the Constitution’s Preamble lacks its own legal force. Quite the contrary, it is the provision of the document that declares the enactment of the provisions that follow. Indeed, the Preamble has sometimes been termed the “Enacting Clause” of the Constitution, in that it declares the fact of adoption of the Constitution (once sufficient states had ratified it): “We the People of the United States . . . do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”
https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/preamble-ic/interps/37
Now, progressives will write and say that the preamble is not important and that it is not "part" of the Constitution. Pretty clever for people who demand a revised history.
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The word “preamble,” while accurate, does not quite capture the full importance of this provision. “Preamble” might be taken—we think wrongly—to imply that these words are merely an opening rhetorical flourish or frill without meaningful effect. To be sure, “preamble” usefully conveys the idea that this provision does not itself confer or delineate powers of government or rights of citizens. Those are set forth in the substantive articles and amendments that follow in the main body of the Constitution’s text. It was well understood at the time of enactment that preambles in legal documents were not themselves substantive provisions and thus should not be read to contradict, expand, or contract the document’s substantive terms.
But that does not mean the Constitution’s Preamble lacks its own legal force. Quite the contrary, it is the provision of the document that declares the enactment of the provisions that follow. Indeed, the Preamble has sometimes been termed the “Enacting Clause” of the Constitution, in that it declares the fact of adoption of the Constitution (once sufficient states had ratified it): “We the People of the United States . . . do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”
https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/preamble-ic/interps/37
Interpretation: The Preamble | The National Constitution Center
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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