Posted on Jun 26, 2021
How come the Constitition Preamble and Declaration of Independence are not used more often when analyzing on Rallypoint?
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We Swear an Oath to Defend it and nothing else, the Constitution Preamble. I could spend a lifetime here wondering and expanding on what has happened to our focus. Are any systems of government created with any checklist if they are meeting the standard set forth in the Constitution Preamble and Declaration of Independence?
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We did NOT swear an oath to defend the Constitution Preamble. We swore an oath to defend the Constitution. Big diff.
The Constitution Preamble is simply to explain the purpose of the Constitution, a road map. The remainder of the Constitution and the amendments explain how we will accomplish that purpose.
Also, it is up to the Courts and the voters to decide if any government agency is "meeting the standards" set by the Constitution.
The Declaration of Independence has no legal binding. It was a declaration directed toward the British monarchy.
The Constitution Preamble is simply to explain the purpose of the Constitution, a road map. The remainder of the Constitution and the amendments explain how we will accomplish that purpose.
Also, it is up to the Courts and the voters to decide if any government agency is "meeting the standards" set by the Constitution.
The Declaration of Independence has no legal binding. It was a declaration directed toward the British monarchy.
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PO3 Aaron Hassay
I believe the Constitutions Preamble is in-fact the most important fundamental part that has been forgotten or not utilized.
It is part of the Constitution. It is the first part.
Surely people understand free speech and the right to own a gun. But there is so much more to the fundamentals of a society and how to build a healthy community. The preamble covers this.
I add the general statement of the Declaration of Independence, because to me this is a similar statement to the Preamble.
The courts and the voters are actually all the citizens of We The People.
I think things got really tricky when they talk of we the people in a new country the United States that was still interacting with the old world history of slavery where the west African Kings and Queens would actually capture their own people and sell for profit their own people for Slavery to Arabs and Europeans.
Who cares about Africa or Arabs or Europeans. Still it is people selling and using people.
We the People is not mentioned enough.
Why not?
So if you actually delegitimize or minimize such a profound statement then well a self check should be rendered.
I can say my own battle was when I went to the VA for the first time about 8 years ago and was told I qualified for nothing, not even a homeless house voucher. I had signed a reserve enlistment 8 year obligation. Someone created a 8 year federal contract for a 18 year old to sign, and not tell them their are all these really important qualifiers as a veteran for veteran purpose, but their is no limits to how you can be used over those 8 years.
If this at all makes the mark of the trajectory set by the preamble and the Declaration of Independence then well I will challenge that all day.
I will defend the constitution and its preamble.
They say be proud of your service.
But then they say that Vietnam Combat Vets were basically the lost forgotten crowd of that military mix.
My dad was actually a Vietnam VET I found out later in life.
I was told I missed by 1 year any benefit as his son, due to the illness created by his service, which basically left his whole family struggle.
They say have pride in your service then you get to the end of 8 year obligation in a reserve enlistment and told you don’t qualify for anything.
Again how does this scenario fit any of the ideas and ideals of what the Preamble and Declaration of Independence?
At the same time there are literally 100 other countries and an open border policy stating help and sympathy for people from other countries to support in federal aid.
Look did I say something Unpatriotic hear?
It is part of the Constitution. It is the first part.
Surely people understand free speech and the right to own a gun. But there is so much more to the fundamentals of a society and how to build a healthy community. The preamble covers this.
I add the general statement of the Declaration of Independence, because to me this is a similar statement to the Preamble.
The courts and the voters are actually all the citizens of We The People.
I think things got really tricky when they talk of we the people in a new country the United States that was still interacting with the old world history of slavery where the west African Kings and Queens would actually capture their own people and sell for profit their own people for Slavery to Arabs and Europeans.
Who cares about Africa or Arabs or Europeans. Still it is people selling and using people.
We the People is not mentioned enough.
Why not?
So if you actually delegitimize or minimize such a profound statement then well a self check should be rendered.
I can say my own battle was when I went to the VA for the first time about 8 years ago and was told I qualified for nothing, not even a homeless house voucher. I had signed a reserve enlistment 8 year obligation. Someone created a 8 year federal contract for a 18 year old to sign, and not tell them their are all these really important qualifiers as a veteran for veteran purpose, but their is no limits to how you can be used over those 8 years.
If this at all makes the mark of the trajectory set by the preamble and the Declaration of Independence then well I will challenge that all day.
I will defend the constitution and its preamble.
They say be proud of your service.
But then they say that Vietnam Combat Vets were basically the lost forgotten crowd of that military mix.
My dad was actually a Vietnam VET I found out later in life.
I was told I missed by 1 year any benefit as his son, due to the illness created by his service, which basically left his whole family struggle.
They say have pride in your service then you get to the end of 8 year obligation in a reserve enlistment and told you don’t qualify for anything.
Again how does this scenario fit any of the ideas and ideals of what the Preamble and Declaration of Independence?
At the same time there are literally 100 other countries and an open border policy stating help and sympathy for people from other countries to support in federal aid.
Look did I say something Unpatriotic hear?
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Why are you so obsessed with the preamble to the Constitution and the Declaration? You constantly post about them.
Preamble: "a preliminary or preparatory statement; an introduction.
"what she said was by way of a preamble"
LAW
the introductory part of a statute or deed, stating its purpose, aims, and justification."
It's literally JUST an introduction to the Constitution. That's it. So why would it be used to "analyze" anything? Also we wear an oath to support and defend the CONSTITUTION. Not just the introduction to it.
The Declaration of Independence is just a historical document. The founders didn't even care about it - if you ever go to the National Archives to see it or the Constitution - look at how faded the Declaration is and how much better shape the Constitution is. The Declaration was stored away in boxes, rolled up, and at one point it sat on a wall in direct sunlight. All that it was is a "f* you" to King George basically. In written form.
The Constitution is the basis of our laws so it was preserved much, much better.
What "standard" are you speaking of in the preamble or the Declaration?
Preamble: "a preliminary or preparatory statement; an introduction.
"what she said was by way of a preamble"
LAW
the introductory part of a statute or deed, stating its purpose, aims, and justification."
It's literally JUST an introduction to the Constitution. That's it. So why would it be used to "analyze" anything? Also we wear an oath to support and defend the CONSTITUTION. Not just the introduction to it.
The Declaration of Independence is just a historical document. The founders didn't even care about it - if you ever go to the National Archives to see it or the Constitution - look at how faded the Declaration is and how much better shape the Constitution is. The Declaration was stored away in boxes, rolled up, and at one point it sat on a wall in direct sunlight. All that it was is a "f* you" to King George basically. In written form.
The Constitution is the basis of our laws so it was preserved much, much better.
What "standard" are you speaking of in the preamble or the Declaration?
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PO3 Aaron Hassay
Thanks for chiming in.
It is not my fault that the Declartion of Independence is in the condition it is in.
I would say that almost any human would run from a tyrant if they could, and create a better society if they had the vision, and create a statement like the Declaration of Independence and then the Constitution Preamble.
This is fundamental human basic concepts that could be translated and still be understood in all nations and accepted as valid.
I imagine almost all religious texts touch on these similar concepts as found in the Preamble and Declartion of Indepence.
You can read the Magna Carta written in Latin, and find that it is the precursor to the Constitution and its Preamble.
I am going to continue too talk about it and make it more normal conversation using it as a guide to question bad leadership or enemies of it.
If you are enemy of it I would suppose you are ok with some standards of living in society that is ok with harming each other.
What Standards can you use to question using the Preamble?
Each part of the Preamble become a question to be answered. Does this policy actually meet these standards and if so how and there should be a answer that would be agreed.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
For Example does this policy provide for the common defense of we the people?
I will go straight to the point.
Having a near open border, catch release program, that discusses the plight as a whole all the people jumping the border, never discussing in Media by the president or the Vice President, that their is a drastic increase in Fentanyl, by criminal gangs (that is referenced by Federal Agencies) being transported across from south of the border, and what that does to your own society of We The People,
It is not my fault that the Declartion of Independence is in the condition it is in.
I would say that almost any human would run from a tyrant if they could, and create a better society if they had the vision, and create a statement like the Declaration of Independence and then the Constitution Preamble.
This is fundamental human basic concepts that could be translated and still be understood in all nations and accepted as valid.
I imagine almost all religious texts touch on these similar concepts as found in the Preamble and Declartion of Indepence.
You can read the Magna Carta written in Latin, and find that it is the precursor to the Constitution and its Preamble.
I am going to continue too talk about it and make it more normal conversation using it as a guide to question bad leadership or enemies of it.
If you are enemy of it I would suppose you are ok with some standards of living in society that is ok with harming each other.
What Standards can you use to question using the Preamble?
Each part of the Preamble become a question to be answered. Does this policy actually meet these standards and if so how and there should be a answer that would be agreed.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
For Example does this policy provide for the common defense of we the people?
I will go straight to the point.
Having a near open border, catch release program, that discusses the plight as a whole all the people jumping the border, never discussing in Media by the president or the Vice President, that their is a drastic increase in Fentanyl, by criminal gangs (that is referenced by Federal Agencies) being transported across from south of the border, and what that does to your own society of We The People,
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No mention of obeying the Preamble in the current version. https://www.thebalancecareers.com/oath-of-enlistment-3354049
The Required U.S. Armed Forces Oath of Enlistment
Members of the Armed Force of the United States must take the enlistment oath before enlisting and re-enlisting for service in the military.
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PO3 Aaron Hassay
Glad you brought to up.
The Constitution Preamble is actually part of the Constitution. It is to be discussed and defended.
It to me is the most fundamental part.
If that is analyzed and actually followed in your decorum then all the other little parts set forth in the rest would naturally fall in place.
I am interested in how the Constition is so hard to change. It is federal law.
Well Federal law is USC and CFR to be more exact also.
USC and CFR are listed as the references to every created Military instruction.
The Constitution created 3 branches of government. The most important to me, that can be accessed as a normal guy in the streets, and even in jail, in defense of injustice, is the justice system, where you can walk a Pro Per in and a judge will review.
We have a great form of government when analyzed that way.
But I am still really taken back that military funding in manpower and training is sometimes if not all the time the place that is defunded or whittled down to get more output with less man.
This downward crush has society problems
Not fully funding manpower
Or Allowing for any loopholes from the observance of occupational and operational stress injury caused by certain military duty assignement’s is how I would start to utilize between right and wrong, using the Preamble and Declaration of Independence.
One simply asks does this certain funding, or this certain instruction, or law, etc etc etc meet the standards of the preamble or the Declaration of Independence.
For example one could always discuss We The People in discussion and not make race talk the norm.
It starts with you you it starts with Us It starts with We The People following a code of conduct.
I can not imagine a more plain well spoken well formulated concept, that does not utilize race Baiting, for forming a society then the Preamble or the Declaration of Independence.
How does one defend the Constitution if you never discus it?
The Constitution Preamble is actually part of the Constitution. It is to be discussed and defended.
It to me is the most fundamental part.
If that is analyzed and actually followed in your decorum then all the other little parts set forth in the rest would naturally fall in place.
I am interested in how the Constition is so hard to change. It is federal law.
Well Federal law is USC and CFR to be more exact also.
USC and CFR are listed as the references to every created Military instruction.
The Constitution created 3 branches of government. The most important to me, that can be accessed as a normal guy in the streets, and even in jail, in defense of injustice, is the justice system, where you can walk a Pro Per in and a judge will review.
We have a great form of government when analyzed that way.
But I am still really taken back that military funding in manpower and training is sometimes if not all the time the place that is defunded or whittled down to get more output with less man.
This downward crush has society problems
Not fully funding manpower
Or Allowing for any loopholes from the observance of occupational and operational stress injury caused by certain military duty assignement’s is how I would start to utilize between right and wrong, using the Preamble and Declaration of Independence.
One simply asks does this certain funding, or this certain instruction, or law, etc etc etc meet the standards of the preamble or the Declaration of Independence.
For example one could always discuss We The People in discussion and not make race talk the norm.
It starts with you you it starts with Us It starts with We The People following a code of conduct.
I can not imagine a more plain well spoken well formulated concept, that does not utilize race Baiting, for forming a society then the Preamble or the Declaration of Independence.
How does one defend the Constitution if you never discus it?
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