Posted on Oct 10, 2014
How do I address a height and weight situation?
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Today was the company H/W. I personally always have to be taped but have no problems passing. As I stood waiting for my calculations A very large SFC was being taped. This particular NCO has been on the program for more than a year. She also recommended a chapter for a soldier based on H/W. That soldier is now my soldier. Her(the NCO) waist measurements were called out as 2 inches less than mine. When I say this is not possible I mean THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE! My mouth literally fell open. I was then told I needed to leave because I was done. All of the tapers were also SFCs and a 1sg (not in my company). I know it was a flat out lie. How do I/ Should I address this further?
Posted 11 y ago
Responses: 18
Alicia, you need to bring this to the attention of your command. It that's not possible, write it up in a 100% dispassionate manner, stating FACTs as you know them, then see your local Inspector General. If you're not comfortable doing that, they will accept an anonymous letter or phone call and WILL act on either method. The sort of distortion you are articulating is simply not acceptable in our military house.
And one more example. We had a Sgt. E-5 in our unit who was a very large human being. Note I did not say "fat." He stood about 6' 9" in his bare feet, was in extremely excellent physical condition and had actually applied to the National Football League for a linebacker position. He failed every H/W test the Army had. The test limitations simply did not address a person of his physical size and it was suggested he may be facing a medical board for discharge. As the Regional IG, I was asked to travel to the Unit to resolve this impasse. With my IG assistant, we performed a text-book H/W assessment and verified he met no measure there. But...so what? The final authority is (and will always be) the local unit commander. He needed only to document this soldier presented an acceptable military appearance at all times (not being seen as overweight or slovenly), passed all PT requirements (boy, did he EVER!) and met all MOSQ requirements. This was forwarded up the chain to our Two-star who immediately signed his approval and that was the end of that. Just FYI.
And one more example. We had a Sgt. E-5 in our unit who was a very large human being. Note I did not say "fat." He stood about 6' 9" in his bare feet, was in extremely excellent physical condition and had actually applied to the National Football League for a linebacker position. He failed every H/W test the Army had. The test limitations simply did not address a person of his physical size and it was suggested he may be facing a medical board for discharge. As the Regional IG, I was asked to travel to the Unit to resolve this impasse. With my IG assistant, we performed a text-book H/W assessment and verified he met no measure there. But...so what? The final authority is (and will always be) the local unit commander. He needed only to document this soldier presented an acceptable military appearance at all times (not being seen as overweight or slovenly), passed all PT requirements (boy, did he EVER!) and met all MOSQ requirements. This was forwarded up the chain to our Two-star who immediately signed his approval and that was the end of that. Just FYI.
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Simple, I would go to IG and let them know what is going on and suggest that this SFC be taken off to the side by complete strangers and taped again, then I would have the NCO's who falsified the documents investigated to find out how many other Fudges they have made to save a non deserving NCO's career and end theirs as well. If she can trash a soldier for the very same thing she suffers from ...I have no respect... if others lie to cover someone else then no respect there either.
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If you find out, please let me know. I had to deal with situations like that my entire career and was never able to do anything about it, no matter how much I bitched...and it was a lot, by the way
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Call it like you see it. It's an integrity issue and needs to be addressed. It's not fair to those who are trying their hardest to maintain the fitness standards.
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Hey Brenneis just because a person looks bigger than you doesn't mean there waist is bigger than yours.The situation with your SFC will take care of itself if there is any wrong doing. The best thing you can do as a young Sgt is to take care of your soldier. Concentrate on helping your soldier get off the overweight program, and you will gain the respect of your soldiers and your chain of command. Remember we had the same problem in our company and after about one month of special PT and counseling everyone either made weight or made tape. The most important thing was that they all thanked the PT instructors and were grateful for what we did to help them.
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SGT Alicia Brenneis
In this case she defiantly was bigger. I have received both positive and negative responses to my question. I think you may be right about letting it work its self out. You and SSG Simpson both use to tell me to pick my battles. I still feel like something should be said but I may have to let this one go. I can't see anything good coming from me questioning the integrity of multiple SNCOs.
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I can't tell you what to do but if you say something expect a negative reaction.
Of the few times I can recall where I made a tough choice to do the hard right instead of the easy wrong the end result never did me any favors.
Do what you think is right but be ready for it to ruffle some feathers.
Of the few times I can recall where I made a tough choice to do the hard right instead of the easy wrong the end result never did me any favors.
Do what you think is right but be ready for it to ruffle some feathers.
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As I read this question, all I could say was "wow." All I can say is that if you believe someone is lying to keep this person in, I'd make a formal complaint. Now the question is how to do that. I'm not sure.
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Along with the rest of the advice here, if she is your soldier then you can tape her yourself. Bring a witness with you, and have you and your witness sign it. Bring the documentation of the taping (do yourself again too if you want for added integrity) and have this as evidence that you are not just pointing fingers and something wrong really occurred.
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SGT Alicia Brenneis
Thank you. I have no doubt that my soldier does not meet the standard .... yet. The NCO I'm talking about is my soldiers former NCOIC. I am going to bring it up to my command I am just trying to figure out how to go about it tactfully . Something I am not known for, but this could become a sticky situation. Thanks again for the advice.
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