Posted on Oct 6, 2016
How do you feel about soldiers and leaders in combat arms who are on a permanent profile?
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I guess it depends on what the job is and their knowledge/experience. Sometimes when the body wears out, the brain is still there, sharp as a tack and able communicate. Out on the "line", no, you need to lead from the front. There are places in HQ where knowledge can be passed, used. I think it "depends".
For me I had my own standards. I told myself if I ever needed a profile or was non deploy-able, couldn't do the APFT, then it was my time to go. With the physical problems I had, I came to that point, so I retired - but that was me.
For me I had my own standards. I told myself if I ever needed a profile or was non deploy-able, couldn't do the APFT, then it was my time to go. With the physical problems I had, I came to that point, so I retired - but that was me.
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CPT Pedro Meza
I didn't quit until the ARMY doc pulled me of my last mission in 2011 and told me to grow up and get a hobby, I was 55 and suffering with the residual effects of mild TBI and back injuries; but prefer to go back to Afghanistan then face VA healthcare. The doctor logic was that he knew that I would not come back from that mission but I would endanger the team by forcing them to bring my body back. He was right he made my 3 profile permanent and added send to Med Board. But it took another three years before I saw the Board, all due to some idiots loosing my packet.
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SGM Mikel Dawson I agree with you wholeheartedly. We're Soldiers first and foremost and we have to be able to function as Soldiers as our basic duty. Whether you're on the line or in a support role, when the sh*t hits you have to be able to function in that warrior role.
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I'd love to agree with you, but you seem to have missed the part where we can't just go...
I fought for 14 years for the Army to admit I was jacked up enough to board me. And then? They still don't acknowledge everything.
I fought for 14 years for the Army to admit I was jacked up enough to board me. And then? They still don't acknowledge everything.
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Depends.
A well reasoned argument can be made that a person who is so broken as to require a permanent profile, is too broken for their combat MOS-depending on what is "too broken" of course. And often, the underlying nature behind the permanent profile does force soldiers to move to less physically demanding jobs or get out entirely. I saw it.
That said, I would advise anyone against blanket pronouncements that a permanent profile does not an effective soldier make. Besides--and I think back to the leaders I knew when I was Infantry--if one spends 10, 15, 20 or more years in the Army, especially in a physically demanding job such as those in the combat arms fields, they are most likely some degree of broken; if by some chance they are not, they'd probably be the great exception, not the rule. Remember also, that people who have spent 10, 15, 20 or more years in the Army are the leadership, if the Army were to cull everyone with a permanent profile from the herd, they would get rid of a lot of seasoned leaders or force many to hide their issues; then again, I'd bet plenty already do.
A well reasoned argument can be made that a person who is so broken as to require a permanent profile, is too broken for their combat MOS-depending on what is "too broken" of course. And often, the underlying nature behind the permanent profile does force soldiers to move to less physically demanding jobs or get out entirely. I saw it.
That said, I would advise anyone against blanket pronouncements that a permanent profile does not an effective soldier make. Besides--and I think back to the leaders I knew when I was Infantry--if one spends 10, 15, 20 or more years in the Army, especially in a physically demanding job such as those in the combat arms fields, they are most likely some degree of broken; if by some chance they are not, they'd probably be the great exception, not the rule. Remember also, that people who have spent 10, 15, 20 or more years in the Army are the leadership, if the Army were to cull everyone with a permanent profile from the herd, they would get rid of a lot of seasoned leaders or force many to hide their issues; then again, I'd bet plenty already do.
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I would think it would depend on what the permanent profile was for. The army messed up my knee so the profiled me for walking, but I could ruck march all day and leave the young ones sitting under a tree crying.
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100% agree permanent profile knee, I did the walk 2.5 in less than 30 minutes at 50+years old, and at 56 yo and retired can still do it
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CPT Pedro Meza
I had a 2 profile for right knee and rucked 1/2 a million in 20 dollars Afghani equivalents with out a problem during three deployments and laughed my ass of because the young guys could not keep up, and I was in my 50's. Of course in doing that I end up with all herniated spinal disks, but I still laugh when I think back to 04-08 deployments.
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