Posted on Dec 15, 2015
How do you feel about this article? Veterans And Pro Athletes face similar challenges returning to normal life.
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I've never looked at athletes being compared to the military when transitioning from their sporting or military careers. I can see the reasoning behind this, but I don't think it's much different than a career civilian job when that person retires. After I retired, I sat around the house thinking about what do I do now. All of my friends were working or busy with their families lives. It took a while and I began reaching out to find something to keep me busy, and that I enjoyed doing. I think retiring from a lifelong career affects us in the same way as an athlete retiring. What do you think Rally Point community?
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http://taskandpurpose.com/veterans-and-pro-athletes-face-similar-challenges-returning-to-normal-life/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=tp-today
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Many service members and athletes find that their careers become their identities. Once it come times to transition, however, the return to normal, daily life can seem impossible.
The drive that stems from teamwork in both the military and in sports is one that is not understood by most.
“When they go to war or when they do exercises, they work as a team,” former NHL player Clint Malarchuk said in an interview with Task & Purpose earlier this year. “With that team you develop that camaraderie. We’re all the same that way. I think that’s what you develop in a team atmosphere, both in sports and in the military, so there are a lot of parallels.”
The Link:
http://taskandpurpose.com/veterans-and-pro-athletes-face-similar-challenges-returning-to-normal-life/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=tp-today
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Many service members and athletes find that their careers become their identities. Once it come times to transition, however, the return to normal, daily life can seem impossible.
The drive that stems from teamwork in both the military and in sports is one that is not understood by most.
“When they go to war or when they do exercises, they work as a team,” former NHL player Clint Malarchuk said in an interview with Task & Purpose earlier this year. “With that team you develop that camaraderie. We’re all the same that way. I think that’s what you develop in a team atmosphere, both in sports and in the military, so there are a lot of parallels.”
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Yes, it must be difficult to leave your previous professional athletic career with deep pockets. In all seriousness, this article is crap. Although yes, athletes can receive major injuries, is nothing of the same compared to combat related injuries. The military is a major change in lifestyle, and transitioning back to civilian life differs for everyone, and in my own opinion, the more years you serve, the more difficult it could be to transition completely. NFL, NHL, NBA, etc, you're leaving with plenty of money, no combat related PTSD, college degree, fans/supporters, fame, the list could go on.
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SGT Chris Hill
PO1 (Join to see) I respectfully believe you and I just have two completely different military experiences which concludes "agree to disagree". Even though I might not understand all that professional athletes experience, I cannot fathom the idea that they would experience the same hardships that veterans of several years face.
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SGT Chris Hill - Our experiences are likely closely aligned, but it always isn't just about hardships faced. It is about experiences and going from complete ends of the spectrum almost immediately. Like, when someone leaves prison, or the peace corps, or something that takes you and places you in a situation that you are unlikely to face again.
Also, define normal life? For you it seems, normal life is about having money and money is the tool to create a "normal life". For someone who has experienced something, it could be something as simple as having your kids around all the time, or relaxing on the couch, or having to go grocery shopping like that scene from "Hurt Locker".
It isn't necessarily about combat. It is about being a part of a system that chews you up and spits you out and says, "thanks. welcome to the rest of your life." Mental challenges can't be bribed to go away, no matter how much money you have.
Also, define normal life? For you it seems, normal life is about having money and money is the tool to create a "normal life". For someone who has experienced something, it could be something as simple as having your kids around all the time, or relaxing on the couch, or having to go grocery shopping like that scene from "Hurt Locker".
It isn't necessarily about combat. It is about being a part of a system that chews you up and spits you out and says, "thanks. welcome to the rest of your life." Mental challenges can't be bribed to go away, no matter how much money you have.
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I could see the correlation in both perspectives. SGT Chris Hill, your article now has me thinking about transition 8 years from now, because the Army is all that I've known, having came straight out of high school.
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SGT Chris Hill
SFC (Join to see) it's a major transition for me as well, I've done 10 years and it's obviously been all I've known for so long now. More than ready though!
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SGT (Join to see) I guess everybody will follow the line that they are full of money and we are not but, the comparison doesn't mention finances at all. I think we should read objectively and see if there's a true comparative, I think there is. But for those that will think just in the athletes money, do a quick search on bankruptcy in retirees pro-athletes and you may find some interesting numbers. Back to the point, I think the article goes to the point of the lifestyle change and I didn't see it as an "insult" but a fair comparison.
Just my .02 cents.
Just my .02 cents.
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SGT (Join to see) but that's where we fail in the reading, because it doesn't mention it. Everybody pointing the fact that they are millionaires and not reading the part that they mentioned "Team Work", "Camaraderie", "Team Atmosphere" and that is indeed part of our military culture. Some people think that PTS is exclusive for military personnel or deployments, well we have a SSG getting med board with PTS because he lost his house in a fire. He has never deployed, just saying.
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SGT(P) (Join to see), I hear you. The article is about both losing all those things you mentioned, but I'm sure they get over it quicker than a military member. They still have the money, where regular military members won't.
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SGT (Join to see) I really think is a lifestyle issue more than money, if you are millionaire but live a fairly comfortable style, you won't have that many problems once you retire. But in my short career I've seen SFC with 3-4 cars, 2 houses, whenever they get out, BAH and BAS gone, it will be harder for him to adapt. Is all about be money wise. I'm making E4 in January and I already set an alarm to rise my TSP to 10%, it is at 8% now, so when my first paycheck comes I don't get to see the extra money and it won't heart my pocket. My wife always tells me, you make your budget around your savings, not all the way around. You see people getting new cars, new tvs, new stuff and saving what they got left instead of doing it all the way around.
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SSgt Gilbert Sandoval
The money problems you mention appears largely due to squandering the money and not managing it.
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If it's based on a pride thing maybe. I don't see it too many other ways. They stay in the game long enough and save money they can "retire" while still in their early 30's. I don't know of any troop who can do that without being injured or winning the lotto. Most at this time in their careers are at the pinnacle of their lives professionally and personally. Wear on the body might be the same, but looking at some of my Airborne brothers and see how their backs, knee's, shoulders...virtually every part of their bodies are beat into their next lifetime, and they have to work with it now in this one...they really don't compare. We don't have personal trainers who monitor everything from calorie intake to how much effort we exert on tasks. Closest thing I've seen is the remedial PT dude who's there to make you better by smoking the living hell out of you, or 1SG who's monitoring whether or not he wants to put his size 15 in your rear end or give you a pat on the back for a good job.
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Wait, are we now supposed to feel bad for the professional athletes? Whatever...
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Veterans and Pro Atheletes....Hahahaha! Pro Atheletes have no idea! Ok... Veterans have to find a job so they can support their families, with job skills that are often not compatible with the civilian workforce so they have to settle with a lower paying job. Pro Atheletes on the otherhand never, NEVER have to worry about money again, since they are waaaaayyy overpaid for ..... playing a sport? Comparing a Veteran and a Pro Athelete in any context is like comparing apples and telephones. No sense can be made from the comparison!
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SSG (Join to see) about "Pro Atheletes on the otherhand never, NEVER have to worry about money again", I'll just leave this here...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/leighsteinberg/2015/02/09/5-reasons-why-80-of-retired-nfl-players-go-broke/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/leighsteinberg/2015/02/09/5-reasons-why-80-of-retired-nfl-players-go-broke/
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If and when the SHTF, I would take 1 Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine over 10 atheletes. With the exception of their given sport, what do they know how to do? They pay people to do things for them.
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SSG (Join to see) the article doesn't mention their fortunes at all, it just mention the lifestyle change and how they cope with it. They are not comparing the job done but the change that comes with retirement.
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A persons wealth, or lack thereof has a major impact on their feelings contemplating and after retirement.
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SSG (Join to see), The only comparison I see is that both left their careers, and football players aren't my heroes.
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SGT (Join to see) I concur that in many respects veterans and pro athletes face similar challenges returning to normal life.
The significant difference is that since the late 1970's or so pro-athletes have had many advocates looking out for them and vast amounts of resources dedicated to helping them and protecting future athletes rom experiencing similar injuries.
After WWII the sheer number of wounded, sick and injured military personnel created a burden which took on national proportions. While slow to take on the entire load the VA has helped many veterans. However since it is a federal agency it must follow federal rules - therefor agent orange illnesses and gulf war syndrome illnesses took much longer than it should.
Thankfully veterans are now honored in many cases which is similar to the way successful pro athletes are respected. I hope this trend will continue.
Many pro athletes retire with significant portfolios which tend to be much larger than the retirement assets military retirees leave the service with. Those of us who invest wisely over the long hall end up much netter financial shape than those who don't. That being said it is never to late to do something fro your future as long as you are breathing.
The significant difference is that since the late 1970's or so pro-athletes have had many advocates looking out for them and vast amounts of resources dedicated to helping them and protecting future athletes rom experiencing similar injuries.
After WWII the sheer number of wounded, sick and injured military personnel created a burden which took on national proportions. While slow to take on the entire load the VA has helped many veterans. However since it is a federal agency it must follow federal rules - therefor agent orange illnesses and gulf war syndrome illnesses took much longer than it should.
Thankfully veterans are now honored in many cases which is similar to the way successful pro athletes are respected. I hope this trend will continue.
Many pro athletes retire with significant portfolios which tend to be much larger than the retirement assets military retirees leave the service with. Those of us who invest wisely over the long hall end up much netter financial shape than those who don't. That being said it is never to late to do something fro your future as long as you are breathing.
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LTC Stephen F., While I was reading this, I kept thinking, there's no comparison between vets, especially combat vets, and athletes. The first thing I thought about is boo hoo, so sorry you have to retire with mega bucks and don't know what you're going to do now. It isn't close to being the same thing. This was probably written by an athlete with TBI.
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LTC Stephen F.
SGT (Join to see) - In this case does TBI stand for Traumatic Brain or Traumatic Brain Injury as in head in 4th point of contact :-)
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I've used the similarities between the two professions when talking to my Soldiers about preparing for life after the Army. There are significant points of similarity. First, the Army is a profession that you can't do into your 50s. Lawyers, doctors and accountants are in their prime earning then. Secondly, if you retire as a senior NCO or officer, you had significant authority and scope, and your work has serious implications both to the security of the Nation and the welfare of your subordinates. And of course, you're treated well, you're "important" within your profession, your opinions matter and are made reality by other groups of highly motivated professionals.
But that all ends sometime, usually in your late 30s or early 40s, and our bodies, due to combinations of age, use and abuse, don't function as they used to. And we then have to find something to do with the rest of our lives.
See, it's not the money that pro athletes earn that is the most salient psychological factor: people who make a lot of money, usually spend a lot of money. I'm an SFC and I (obviously) spend more money than I did as Private. The most significant psychological factor is that even if you invested wisely and don't have to work, people need to feel relevant, and THAT is the most salient psychological factor, and for both service members and pro athletes, that can be extraordinarily difficult.
But that all ends sometime, usually in your late 30s or early 40s, and our bodies, due to combinations of age, use and abuse, don't function as they used to. And we then have to find something to do with the rest of our lives.
See, it's not the money that pro athletes earn that is the most salient psychological factor: people who make a lot of money, usually spend a lot of money. I'm an SFC and I (obviously) spend more money than I did as Private. The most significant psychological factor is that even if you invested wisely and don't have to work, people need to feel relevant, and THAT is the most salient psychological factor, and for both service members and pro athletes, that can be extraordinarily difficult.
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