Posted on Jan 2, 2014
CPL Paul B.
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Recently I've been hearing countless remarks, and seeing posts from soldiers and veterans alike. Down talking our commander in chief. How do you feel about this? Should this be allowed within our ranks? Does freedom of speech really play a part?<br><br>
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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I Believe It Depends Upon The President, Who He Is And What He Does.
I Served From 06/29/1961 - 06/10/65., And Served Proudly Under The Command Of JFK Until His Assassination. But When Trump, The Draft Dodger, Was The Commander-In-Chief;
Just The Though Of Having To Saluting Him, Turns My Stomach Inside Out....
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SPC Lyle Montgomery
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Soldiers have to watch what they say because the govt. basically owns them but veterans can and should express their opinions freely. I sure as hell will say whatever I want about any president or high ranking military officials and if they don't like it, they can kiss my ass.
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SGT Stanley Bass
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Kinda confused. Thought this was in regards to biden. But Obama stuff coming up. Seems an old pist got comments and was bumped. Much like my pay, and my religious preference. I keep my opinions of former and current presidents to myself. Let others vent and say what they will. On the above issues I am Switzerland. I am nuetral
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Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis
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There might be two issues here.
One: Every member of the military is obligated to protect, defend, and obey the President as Commander-in-Chief of all US military forces. Anything that even appears to contradict that is against the very oath we took.
Two: No member of the US military loses any of their Constitutional Rights, due to their membership in the Military. You have all the rights of a civilian; this includes criticisms of elected persons, which includes the President.
These two issues can easily clash; this is particularly true when the public's eye is on the military member. Even Civilian Employees of the DOD (or, indeed, and Department) face things like this (and many a DOD Civilian Employee is a Veteran and/or Retiree).
The expectation is that we are Professionals. When we talk, it is after considerable thought. In addition, we measure our words, and speak with deliberation. Our criticism should be fact-based. Name-calling is not considered professional, or even dignified.

Bottom line: You have the right to free speech. You also have the responsibility to understand that you represent the Government (particularly when in Uniform). Remember that.
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MSgt Horace Smith
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While I served, I kept my politics to myself. After I retired I consider that the First Amendment is part of the Constitution that I served to protect.
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1SG Michael Farrell
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Couple of issues here. First of all, soldiers in uniform should not talk about politics or try to make their political points of view triumph over others. Next we have a number of rights under the Constitution, Bill of Rights and through the cultural norms built up over centuries. (The USA is not a fledgling country. We have been around for a while and should be able to act maturely and wisely. And yeah, roll tape on the laugh track. Still, 247 years is time and should be considered to have some sort of expectations attached.)

So, we have the Constitutional right to have opinions that others may find disturbing and we have responsibilities to maintain good order and discipline while obeying the officers appointed over us, except for illegal orders which we disregard at our own risks.

As Judge Jackson put it last week in her dissenting opinion in the US v. Harvard and US v North Carolina decision last week, ""Deeming race irrelevant in law does not make it so in life." In the service, we might well substitute "Rank" for "Race."

I was always the most left-leaning soldier in the room whenever politics came up, and primarily kept my mouth shut. I tried very hard not to ever let race or politics impact my decisions, and to not express my opinions to my soldiers. I am sure most of my soldiers assumed I was some hard core Republican, or at least politically conservative. Now, in civilian clothes over coffee or a drink in my drinking days, I might have let my lifelong Progressive Democratic beliefs slip.

If you have personal issues with Vice President Harris or former President Obama, you should examine your conscience to see if your opinions are based on performance or on some racist tendencies. If your complaints are based in policy, whether in uniform or out, be careful. The first time the Army implemented STOP/LOSS in 1990, I explained it to my soldiers -- all men -- by pointing to the ugliest and most disagreeable platoon sergeant, and said "It means that if you want to ETS, you need to walk up to Sergeant Smedlap and kiss him on the lips." That was during "don't ask, don't tell" and was not out of line at that time. Today, it would be received in shock and I could expect to receive orders to take off my diamonds and go off to pass out towels in the gym until I received my ETS orders. And, I would have deserved it.

You have a duty and responsibility to pay attention to politics and policies. Bitching about them especially as it concerns faces in the chain of command is something to avoid, since anything you say could be taken as being contrary to good order and discipline. But personally and professionally, it's a good idea to stay current on the values, beliefs and attitudes of men and women who get you killed.
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SPC Rick Price
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IMO Def not during duty hours. Everyone is entitled to their opinion tho, but obviously can’t make threats or anything like that.
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SSG John Mtz
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I believe that we all that take the OATH of our country should honor it, lately within this "Eh Hem" installed Administration, as well at the local state and federal level governments, affecting our most senior military officers (Pentagon Level), as they have not taken the OATH seriously, undermining our great founding U.S. Constitution i.e. guaranteed freedom(s) such as the 1st, the 2nd amendments our Sovereignty, just to name a few, especially during the mandated COVID period. We should all be able to voice and criticized those that would/ will not honor the OATH they swore to uphold and hold them accountable. Unfortunately, MOSTLY those that violate this honor appears to come from Democrats, who impose and support a DOUBLE standard of justice and social equity. hopefully in 2024 we elect a President that will make America Great Again.
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SSG Kristian Kanavy
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When posting anything on social media about a member of congress or the commander in chief, it's best to politely criticize the policy decision itself while removing any connection/affiliation with the Army. That means you shouldn't take pictures of yourself in uniform or say anything along the lines of "As a U.S. Army soldier...."

Your first amendment rights as a private citizen to criticize the actions of the government are still protected. You just need to ensure that when you do so, you don't add in anything about your service affiliation. The moment you mention anything about your affiliation, it can be interpreted as contempt or insubordination. Both of those are UCMJ punishable offenses.

A post I might make on social media as it pertains to anything the U.S. government does would be something along the lines of "I disagree with this policy decision because of the potential for [insert possible effects here]."

I don't attack the person because most of us, in spite of what we think, are human and are probably trying to do the right thing. I would want the benefit of a doubt if the roles were reversed. I try to maintain the same attitude for others.

I hope this helps.
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Sgt John H.
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Where were the objections when Trump, Obama, Bush. Etc. Where attacked on rally point? The military swears an oatt to uphold the people's rights, the country and our constitution. Not express their political beliefs
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