Posted on Jan 2, 2014
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No matter what active duty personnel feels or thinks, they have a responsibility to follow orders of those in command, BUT orders that do not conflict with the US Constitution. That is our oath all who entered into service swore to. So until discharged from active duty share thoughts with your fellow members and obey "lawful" orders from superiors.
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Yes, a person has every right to voice their opinion. I'm a veteran and I'm really disappointed in are democrats.
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Active duty, show respect and never criticize the current President, past Presidents. Retired and out of uniform, say what you feel you need to say. The 1st amendment allows freedom of speech. If it is in good taste, right forum, retired or ETS Soldiers have at it before some of these freedoms that are trying to be diminished, go away.
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You are a Citizen. Use ALL your FREEDOMS & RIGHTS wisely. I criticized policy when I disagreed with it and there was a discussion regarding it. People talk politics, keep it respectful even when you disagree or don't like a policy/politician AND (this is important) make sure you know who you are talking to and who might be listening cause some people love nothing more than RESTRICTING your RIGHTS when they don't like what you have to say.
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I know of an officer who was basically canned because he spoke against Bill Clinton to his men at an assembly back in the day. President Clinton was still the C&C of the military and that is just something you don't do! You may not like him and much of what he stands for but he is still the C&C. As far as Biden goes, F the SOB! He's job has been basically to destroy America and all we hold dear. He has hurt everyone in this country and he is most probably not even the legitimate sitting President! He is a criminal and always has been! I'm surprised the military response hasn't been a coup from the uppers. Of course I am not promoting that in any way, even suggesting that would be wrong, but it appears the Military Leadership has been demasculated, but too, I am sort of a Bronson type character in my thinking!
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First off, I'm retired USAFR, so I no longer have a dog in this fight. I was stationed at Gen. Mitchell field with the 440th AW in Milwaukee WI for my entire 22 years of service. I enlisted when Reagan was elected but Carter was still President, so I served under five CICs. Our base is co-located on GBMIAP and is the main base that Air Force One comes to when the President visits WI. President Reagan loved coming in when we were on duty on our UTAs, usually the second weekend of the month. He loved the military and we loved him. Clinton, not so much, everytime when he flew in and we were on duty, we were cautioned on showing proper respect and no one finger salutes. In his second term, they usually avoided coming in when were on duty. One time, he had to come in on our weekend, we were told to not come in for that day. Respect is a two way street, and we respected him as much as he respected us. As a military member, how I feel about the CIC is personal and while in uniform, I showed the respect the office requires. As my old TI told us, you salute the rank, not the person. I truly feel sorry for you folks with our current CIC, I came close to retiring at 20 years, but that would have put Clinton's name on my retirement papers, so I hung on until "W" became President, well then stop loss came into effect, so I did an extra two years. I enlisted on 7DEC80 and was going to retire on that same date, as that date is important to me, my Dad was Navy during WWII.
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criticism will always happen: human nature, relief valve. "only worry about soldiers when they STOP bitching!" but it's tricky in military. Bitching about the Pres, C-I-C is risky legally and "socially". Being accused of sedition or treason ain't too desireable, regardless of actual fault.
I don't know - or, remember - much of UCMJ; but soldiers ARE citizens, with 1st A rights. The oath is to the country, NOT "the man".
I believe a vet has all the freedom they want: they filled their obligation, now free citizens.
I don't know - or, remember - much of UCMJ; but soldiers ARE citizens, with 1st A rights. The oath is to the country, NOT "the man".
I believe a vet has all the freedom they want: they filled their obligation, now free citizens.
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Depends on the Person and how many of my brothers and sisters he is getting KILLED because of his politics and incompetence. The number 13 comes to mind.
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A lot of people are falling for misinformation today from agencies the is putting out propaganda. Often these misinformation articles are put out pro-Russians to keep us separated. I never thought that I live to see people wanting to put criminals into public offices who have no regards to the rule of law. Crooks saying that they are innocent with several secret documents in their possession and proven that they tried to hide them. No one own these documents and who want to keep them? We should know the history of the world and how these authoritarians get started in other countries. We think that this is a revolution but you will find out that our soldiers too are being used. I thought that I would not also see people joining in say these authoritarians are good people and strong. One of the last things Gen. Patton said that we need to watch those #*@ Russians. They want to get us to be in arms with one another. I could go on and on but I have said enough to make others think.
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You always heard respect the rank, not the person, with the proviso of never obeying an illegal order. Remember the difference between civilians who choose to not serve [99.3] and those that do have to different worlds. One is trained to act in a crew to protect America selfishly, abdicating self interest for the "Common Good"'s defense. Giving up civilian experiences and seniority in the capitalistic workplace. While his civilian classmates get their experience and time in. While the service members, for emaciated pay, are used as chess pieces around the world in dangerous situations requiring American forceful presence! This at the behest of the ultimate "Commander and Chief" whoever is president, chosen by the majority of our citizens! That means whoever is in office, and questioning the boss is bad practice in any job, defense of a nation requires more. Whenever civilians have no skin in the game, or knowledge, we veterans have first hand experience. And when the shit hits the fan, well this well trained salad bowl of races, religions and persuasions has been dismembered, melted into a soldier force? That force has kept us free through two world wars and many conflicts. Respect the rank, not the person means forget your penny-anty conspiracy crap, be in your buddies 6 and stay alive! The civilians percentage shows most do not have the courage to be where the possibility of the metal meeting the meat is even preparing for, and why all Veterans who serve should be allocated 4000 a month for the rest of their lives! As the civilian who does not serve has a mighty big head start and going into that environment after serving such a hard transition. A transition into the only self-serving, cut throat civilian want-to-be-participating-capitalistic pot, but ends up in a monopolistic commercial workplace, embittered. [a person or business that has exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service] To have Served taught me toleration, good order and respect, rarely seen in the civilian workplace. But once you're out all should run for office, as you have already punched the Patriotic Button so in the eyes of the population they might not agree with you, but they know you know more than they do about the world, so will listen.
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