Posted on Feb 17, 2014
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I know this may be controversial; however, what is your honest thoughts about working with someone who you do not consider an American? I have had my clearance suspended on such grounds, treated differently, and called names? Can we work objectively on common grounds without our way of life barging in? Can the military really institutionalize?
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
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As long as they're not proposing to me, I'm ok with it.
Then again...it's nice to get proposed to every once in a while...
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
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Hey if they find me attractive enough to marry (because they sure don't talk to me), well that's just sweet lol.

Of course I wouldn't say yes but it's still a nice thing to hear :) Besides I couldn't take that home to Daddy.
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lol....true very true, you daddy would probably expect an educated man, with strong christian and family values, reasonable and an honest man who can, in every sense of the word, take care of his little girl and make her happy.
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
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Yep, you got it! It also helps if he's a Soldier. Daddy thinks I should marry GI Joe lol.
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As long as they the way Im good.
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Some of the greatest times I had in the Corps were with the Marines that were part of our Police Advisor Team and the Afghan National Police we served along side with.  It was very challenging but rewarding at the same time.  The insider attacks at the time of the surge were increasing, we had a couple ANP try to detonate suicide vests at our police station but failed and were apprehended by our ANP at the ECP.  This type of threat can make you uneasy considering the ANP you trust to fight along side you could easily be the one to fight against you.  Being the type of asian I am, I was mistaken for an interpreter for looking like I was part of the Uzbek tribe and speaking Pashtun for the first couple exchanges of words.  Many of my ANP who were Uzbeks called me brother, you definitely bond with these men when you operate with them. 
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SSG Jackson A.  

With all due respect, I would feel the same way that I feel about any "friendly" troops.  If they are properly vetted, technically competent, keep their weapons pointed in the right direction, communicate properly, treat our troops with respect, and fight our mutual enemies with honor and bravery, we should have absolutely no questions or issues of any kind.

You may want to get your CSM's input about your questions and issues.  Your CSM may be able to provide much broader perspective about the most appropriate answers.  

Warmest Regards, Sandy






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Thanks LT. My issues were resolved a long time ago with the help of a Korean American SSG- My supervisor at the time. I am trying to see other military members perspective on working with a "non- American". It does not necessarily have to be an Afghan or Iraqi.
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SSG Jackson A.  

At first I had images of the Japanese Americans and Tuskeegee pilots in WWII... who were ultimately proven to be some of our best fighting men.  But, then as Cpl Fittizzi said, something on the order of a percent of our casualties were the result of blue on green insurgent infiltrator fire... and I thought about similar problems in Vietnam.  In both instances our losses from equipment malfunctions far exceeded this kind of friendly fire.  But, blue on green attacks were specifically intended to generate distrust, and disaffection in the ranks re joint allied missions. If we are not to give in to this enemy strategy we must trust our allies.  The key in the end in OIF/EOF was to modify recruitment, night raids, etc to align local culture.

The problem is not non-American allies... it is dealing with insurgents.

Warmest Regards, Sandy
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How do you feel working alongside an Afghan?
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I was on an escort detail in Bagram. I had anywhere from 5-7 afghani guys with me, to escort to and from their place of work. They were difficult, and I was constantly telling them to not wander off. I had no real issue with them, they acted like children with selective hearing honestly. The only time I took serious issue is when one of them had a bad habit of getting too close to me and constantly touching my IOTV. It was more than curiosity, he was attempting to be confrontational and difficult. I made sure he stopped doing that, it only took one corrective action and a few words and he stayed his distance from then on.
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Fixed, thanks!
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SGT Donald Croswhite
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My supply sergeant was in the Iraqi army before he immigrating. He was one of the best guys I met in the service. Actions are more important than a bias of birth place.
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CPT Marc Serrá
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I worked as a contractor in the Stan for a while supervising numerous Host Country Nationals. Most were good workers (considering the pay differential they were getting compared to normal local salary...they didn't last long if they weren't), but you did have to watch out for the cultural differences....

We had one local who had worked for various contractors on FOB for about seven years, was in a supervisory role, acted as our translator for all briefings..in other words, he'd had a spectacular career so far. Then he stabbed a co-worker in the face with his pen for accidentally running into him. S2, obviously, removed his post privileges, and we were trying to explain to him what he did wrong as we escorted him off FOB. His culture had no problem with stabbing someone in retribution and he simply couldn't understand why he was in trouble. His response to our explanation....'but I didn't use a knife!'
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I was deployed to Afghanistan from July 2010 to Apr 2011. the second 1/2 to 2/3 of my deployment was acting as an instructor/mentor to the Afghan Army School of Nursing. We had 36 students. The first ever Physician Assistant program had 100 students (to start). I also worked extensively with an interpreter and some of the Afghan nurses and med techs that were also learning how to be teachers. Their way of life is different. If they have a willingness to learn, they can be engaged quite easily. Herding cats can also happen, but with a good stern lecture explaining the expectations, this can be corrected. This was probably one of my BEST deployments in my military career.
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1SG Michael Blount
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SSG - how did you get the situation resolved? Hopefully, your chain of command intervened and put a halt to that crap. We have enough problems without inventing them.
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The post commander ended being involved, the Soldier in question relieved of command and forced out. The post as a whole had to undergo a series of consideration of others and other EO related classes to increase awareness and avoidance of such circumstances. Thanks
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SSG - All I gotta say is "BFT" and I'm relieved to know the chain of command did the right thing vs. sweeping the issue under the carpet.
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LTC John Czarnecki
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I'm surprised you put an "EO" tag on this.&nbsp; There's no such animal as EO on a battlefield.&nbsp; I worked with hundreds of different Iraqis during OIF-1, being out the gate as a CA bubba on a daily basis.&nbsp; I worked very well with them, and they worked very well for me.&nbsp; BUT... I always had a weapon at the ready, and wouldn't hesitate a moment to drop any or all of them should they decide that I, or any other American, was going to suddenly be the object of their personal jihad.<br><br>Like the old axe goes... "Smile and be friendly, but always have a plan to kill everybody in the room..."&nbsp; For those who worked out in Hadjiville, this needs no explanation.&nbsp; For those who remained in the camps as Fobbits, it may be a bit harder to fathom.<br>
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I worked alongside Katusas in Korea for the 2 years I was there. Loved working with those guys. Much of their training was OJT and they were eager to learn. They would hang out with us during the week, and take us around Korea on the weekends. It was an overall good relationship. I've also worked closely with Afghanis. My experiences with them vary greatly. On one hand you have the Afghani SF/CMRG. They're hard workers, love killing Taliban, and are eager to interact with us. On the other hand, we had an ANA CPT come with us on an op. As soon as we set into place he pulled out his sleeping bag and went to sleep. This happened early morning and he slept throughout most of the day. Of course many of his men followed suit. It wasn't out of the ordinary for something like this to happen with their conventional forces either.<br>
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