Posted on Dec 30, 2015
How do you handle a situation where a peer E-5 has failed in his duties?
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Here's my situation I had once and was wondering how others would have dealt with it.
On a Friday night receive a call from the Plt Sgt telling you to go to the barracks as he has been called by another Plt Sgt in your company stating that one of the soldiers in your platoon has an exceptionally dirty room and his roommate from the other platoon has finally gotten tire of cleaning up after him and called his leadership.
The reason the Plt Sgt has called you in you are the only NCO who lives on post and is the most reliable to answer his/her phone on a Friday night and willing to fix an issue right then and there.
You get to the barracks room to find the SPC from another platoon standing by waiting with his leadership, but the private in your platoon who created the mess has popped smoke and ran off into town as soon as he heard his roommate call his leadership.
The common area of the room is a complete mess with bags of trash from the PVT's room, and there is a horrible smell coming from the PVT's room. you open the PVT's door to his room and find dirty clothes and half empty food containers littering the room.
Take note the PVT's first line a SGT in your platoon had supposedly inspected the room earlier and had told the platoon sergeant that the room was clean.
What do you do and how do you proceed after taking photos of the situation for evidence?
On a Friday night receive a call from the Plt Sgt telling you to go to the barracks as he has been called by another Plt Sgt in your company stating that one of the soldiers in your platoon has an exceptionally dirty room and his roommate from the other platoon has finally gotten tire of cleaning up after him and called his leadership.
The reason the Plt Sgt has called you in you are the only NCO who lives on post and is the most reliable to answer his/her phone on a Friday night and willing to fix an issue right then and there.
You get to the barracks room to find the SPC from another platoon standing by waiting with his leadership, but the private in your platoon who created the mess has popped smoke and ran off into town as soon as he heard his roommate call his leadership.
The common area of the room is a complete mess with bags of trash from the PVT's room, and there is a horrible smell coming from the PVT's room. you open the PVT's door to his room and find dirty clothes and half empty food containers littering the room.
Take note the PVT's first line a SGT in your platoon had supposedly inspected the room earlier and had told the platoon sergeant that the room was clean.
What do you do and how do you proceed after taking photos of the situation for evidence?
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My first question would be why two members of different platoons were sharing a room. In most units, rooms are assigned by platoon, if not squad. In your case, there were two different chain of commands over the same living quarters. This setup is an accountability issue waiting to happen.
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SSG Michael Patton
RP will only let me type so many characters before it freezes my post. Hope it all posted correctly.
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First of all, the pltsgt should be called in since the other soldiers chain is there too. Just to back up the E5 SGT! Then get the soldiers crap packed up and put in front of the barracks. Sure he needs to be counseled but he would feel some pain!
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I was infantry that didn't happen like that in my world. Odds are in my world the offending Joe would've spent an hour doing PT til his team leader arrived and a few hours after doing pt for his TL. We tended to handle stuff at the lowest level possible.
Though the closest thing to it that happened to me the Joe never came back until we were deployed. On the one hand whoops. On the other we were all better for it
Though the closest thing to it that happened to me the Joe never came back until we were deployed. On the one hand whoops. On the other we were all better for it
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Clearly some counseling is in order and I hope it would entail reviewing the Army's Core Values, what they mean and how they would apply to this situation. The NCO also needs to be reminded of his responsibility to be an exemplary leader. If an NCO shirks his duties and responsibilities then so shall the troops below him which could result in command and control issues later. Just say'n.
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The first thing I'd want to know is why this anal retentive had to call me on Friday night with this nonsense and not wait until a reasonable time. The world isn't going to fall apart over a dirty room.
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PO1 Aaron Baltosser
The dirty room just shows standards are slipping, or nonexistent. If something that basic is not having any standards applied then rpthe world is coming to an end so to speak. Once we start cutting corners, others are easuer to cut. The oroduct we produce as a result becomes worthless. This was especially true in infantry units I was assigned to.
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PO2 Robert Cuminale
PO1 Aaron Baltosser - That's not the point. Why does some anal retentive drag someone out of their home outside of regular hours on what is an administrative issue? In the real world we prioritize things, even crises. The mess will still be there when the person comes back and you'll have time to deal with the situation in a meaningful and instructive manner.
A customer called late one Friday afternoon with a complaint about an employee. There'd been complaints before and meetings with him about his attitude before and I decided to terminate him.
Did I call him at home? Go to his house? No. It was Friday evening. I went to dinner with my wife and when he came in on Monday morning I fired him.
The only world coming apart is that of people who major in minors and minor in majors.
A customer called late one Friday afternoon with a complaint about an employee. There'd been complaints before and meetings with him about his attitude before and I decided to terminate him.
Did I call him at home? Go to his house? No. It was Friday evening. I went to dinner with my wife and when he came in on Monday morning I fired him.
The only world coming apart is that of people who major in minors and minor in majors.
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PO1 Aaron Baltosser
That room may suggest the oerson is si deoressed...they may not be around on Monday to lead. You lead when required, and that moment in time is screaming for it. It may be inconvenient for your family life. That is true. Being in a leadership position often disrupts normal life. As you get senior rank in the Navy, PO1 Chief, I wager you will realize you need to spend a good portion of time leading Sailors, as well as realizing they may need that leadership at odd times.
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PO2 Robert Cuminale
I've been the president of corporation I founded. I've dealt with more crises than you'll see in your protected military life where the eagle shits every two weeks no matter how little do and whether you are competent or not.
Cleaning a room is pretty low priority in the scheme of things. You're rationalizing with your possible depression issue.
You people haven't enough to do.
Cleaning a room is pretty low priority in the scheme of things. You're rationalizing with your possible depression issue.
You people haven't enough to do.
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The Soldier's supervisor cleans the room to standard, if you have explained the standard to him and he inspected the room then obviously the room meets that NCO's standard, perhaps not the established one. I would have the PFC watch the NCO clean the room to the established standard and inspected then by the Squad leader to ensure everyone is aware of what right looks like. Will never happen again
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SGT Myles Taylor
CSM Kevin Nolan this pvt was removed from the sgt's sqaud and placed into mine. the sgt that had supposedly inspected his room got into serious trouble less than a month later and ended up being court martialed
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First find out why a platoon sergeant past the room on inspection . Then discipline the private that left the mess when he gets back from town .
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Call the PVT in and order him to clean his room. Take the pictures and report to the PSG that the other NCO falsified a document. He contacted you in good faith and confidence that you would handle the situation accordingly. So first, square the PVT away, then report your findings back to the PSG. It seems like a Blue Falcon way to go, but first and foremost, all involved have to be held accountable for their actions, or lack thereof, as the case may be.
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