Posted on Feb 19, 2015
How has the Navy changed in the last 20 years?
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My time on active duty is now over 20 years ago. I am interested to hear from veterans and active sailors how things have changed in that time. The day to day life, deployments, the overall mission, etc.
For instance, in my day there was no internet to speak of. Is that a daily part of shipboard life? Satellite phones if they existed were strictly for SEALS or somebody like that, cell phones came in a giant bag or were about the size of a claymore mine. Do you get to use your cell phones when you get signal? Did they every finally put a McDonald's on an Aircraft carrier? Our mission included playing a giant chess game with the Soviet Navy...what is the current mission like?
Inquiring minds want to know.
There's 72,000 + Navy on this site and we rarely hear from them. I'd like to see the squids get more engaged.
For instance, in my day there was no internet to speak of. Is that a daily part of shipboard life? Satellite phones if they existed were strictly for SEALS or somebody like that, cell phones came in a giant bag or were about the size of a claymore mine. Do you get to use your cell phones when you get signal? Did they every finally put a McDonald's on an Aircraft carrier? Our mission included playing a giant chess game with the Soviet Navy...what is the current mission like?
Inquiring minds want to know.
There's 72,000 + Navy on this site and we rarely hear from them. I'd like to see the squids get more engaged.
Posted 10 y ago
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Oh my. Where do I start? First of all, all of this PC BS needs to go. It has no place in the military. This kinder, gentler crap has taken all power away from RDCs and DIs. Boot was supposed to be where all of the crap was thrown out. But now they make it to the fleet and it's the LPOs job to babysit. Oh yeah, they are also allowed to watch tv and have cell phones in bootcamp now. What kind of &#*$@ is that?!?!
There is most definitely NO respect at all for rank structure. This generation of entitlement are babied through boot and well into the fleet. I really and truly am glad that I was medically retired 2 1/2 years ago because there is no way I could deal with how drastically it's changed since I've gotten out. My husband, being an LPO, has his hands basically tied. Everything has to go on paper. No more attitude adjustments. Hell, I don't even think they issue EMI anymore. Oh and swearing, you may as well forget about that too. It might offend someone. *eyeroll*
Yes, they have internet on the ships. Most correspondence with your other half is email. There are shipboard phones that you can use phone cards with but those are hit or miss. Last I was on a ship though was 2008. And it was a dollar a minute to use those phones. Unless they have changed the rules, which I doubt they did, all cell phones have to be turned off while underway.
Lol...No McDonald's or anything like that aboard ship. Those that have any type of fast food like that have the hook up with folks on the CODs.
As for exercises, it sounds as though they're pretty much the same. War games. Us against them.
Hope that gives you some insight as to how it's changed and how it's stayed the same :)
There is most definitely NO respect at all for rank structure. This generation of entitlement are babied through boot and well into the fleet. I really and truly am glad that I was medically retired 2 1/2 years ago because there is no way I could deal with how drastically it's changed since I've gotten out. My husband, being an LPO, has his hands basically tied. Everything has to go on paper. No more attitude adjustments. Hell, I don't even think they issue EMI anymore. Oh and swearing, you may as well forget about that too. It might offend someone. *eyeroll*
Yes, they have internet on the ships. Most correspondence with your other half is email. There are shipboard phones that you can use phone cards with but those are hit or miss. Last I was on a ship though was 2008. And it was a dollar a minute to use those phones. Unless they have changed the rules, which I doubt they did, all cell phones have to be turned off while underway.
Lol...No McDonald's or anything like that aboard ship. Those that have any type of fast food like that have the hook up with folks on the CODs.
As for exercises, it sounds as though they're pretty much the same. War games. Us against them.
Hope that gives you some insight as to how it's changed and how it's stayed the same :)
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Yeah I agree with Taylor. No TV or cell phones. Our RDC's didn't "beat" us because they were all on their last push so they didn't care. Our brother div got beat like every day, while we had to write essays. They were strong, we were smart. It all depends on who you get as RDC's. It's all about the leadership. If the leadership isn't good how can you expect us E1's E2's and E3's to be any different?
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SN Rachel Hale
I know pretty well that everyone's experience in the navy is different, but when I went through RTC in 2009, you strip butt naked within an hour of arrival and EVERYTHING you were wearing is put in a box immediately and shipped home. (This included my contact lenses...as if the first week of boot isn't terrifying enough, I was basically blind for 6 days before being issued my BCG'S at medical.) Our racks were searched at random for "contraband" so anyone clever enough to smuggle in a cell phone between their butt cheeks or whatever would have been discovered pretty quickly. As for TV, the only glimpse we had of the outside world was the military news network without sound in the waiting rooms for dental, etc. Oh yeah, and we got "beat" on the daily, for anything from a hit on an inspection to taking too long in the head-- I've never been in better shape in my life. And after 2 deployments on a DDG, 3 section duty with port and starboard watches...the fleet is another story altogether. Again, I know everyone's experience is different, but I'd be very surprised if RTC has changed so much in 5 years that recruits are updating their Twitter feed between TV episodes now.
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PO3 Rebecca Rotundo
I know a few ppl to go through boot in the last year and none of them updated their fb while they were in. Other than that I have no idea what is or isn't for tv and phones. The rest I agree has a lot to do with coast. I never didn't really understood this "kinder, gentler, navy" stuff when I was at my first command. We had it pretty easy in my opinion. We had EMI, cursing, sexual innuendos, racism, etc. Very little phone or internet use, (if they were even working). When I got attached to the GW. It was a culture shock just to be on base. Flip flops, walking on their phones, clothes girls were wearing! It was ridiculous to me. I can't tell u how many times I had to stop myself from yelling at someone for something they were allowed to do there. No idea when some people worked because there was always a line at the phones. Talking back to senior people, no sense of authority, time management, cursing was not very common, or "hazing", and their shelback was very "G" rated.
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No one is using cell phones in boot. I went through April to June of 13, and my cousin just got done last month. The rumors of phones and TV are cyclical and come up every few months. As for a lack of discipline in the rank structure that's reflective of poor leadership more than anything. I'm an older guy, joined with a degree in hand, and after spending 5 years of getting kicked around by a bad economy I came in to meet Chiefs that are my age or barely older (I'm 28). That doesn't mean that as a PO3 currently I just walk up and talk to them like we are buddies. There is a very clear line and it doesn't get crossed. I work with plenty of younger Sailors that are 18-20 and while they might occasionally get big in the britches you shut that shit down and that's the end of it. There isn't a bunch of handholding and crybaby stuff that folks seem to think there is, at least not in my current command. Are there the biblical down dressings of the old days like my Dad and Grandfather handed down when they were Chiefs? Maybe, but behind closed doors, and there's nothing wrong with that. You can have good leadership and discipline without hellfire and brimstone raining down from every Chief or LPO on the ship.
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Thanks for posting such an interesting topic. I served from '77 - '01, so I was at sea a lot during the "era of 3-4 week old letters" at Mail Call. I'll tell you, in those days, when the Helo came in with First Class Mail, it was a big deal for the morale of the crewmembers. My wife was a prolific letter writer, and would number each of her daily letters to make it easier for me to follow what was going on at home.
I remember during Westpac in 1980 onboard USS Truxtun (CGN-35), we were in the IO during the Iran Hostage Crisis. Spent 144 straight days at sea because we needed no refueling. So the letters from home were particularly prized during that deployment. We got word that the Helo was on approach, and went to Flight Quarters, eager to receive what was described as 1200 pounds of First Class Mail. Suddenly, the Helo developed serious mechanical problems and the crew had to ditch into the ocean about 1000 yards astern of us. Everyone on the Flight Deck was obviously concerned, and we were able to witness the rescue of the Helo crew. But down to the bottom of the IO went our mail bags, and, as Sailors will do, the griping and colorful language ensued. More than once I heard comments like, "to hell with the crew, they should have saved the mail bags". I still laugh when I think back on that day.
When we received a load of mail the next time, I was missing over 20 numbered letters. Made it a bit difficult to follow the news from home, and when I was able to finally call home, I had to reset my wife's expectations of what I knew and didn't know.
Such was the life of a fleet sailor in the early '80s. One last thought, I also remember making a MARS call home from the harbor at Diego Garcia. Had to be connected through a half dozen or so HAM Radio operators who volunteered their time all over the world. Had to say "over" after each sentence, so they could switch the gear from transmit to receive. Anyone else ever do that?
I remember during Westpac in 1980 onboard USS Truxtun (CGN-35), we were in the IO during the Iran Hostage Crisis. Spent 144 straight days at sea because we needed no refueling. So the letters from home were particularly prized during that deployment. We got word that the Helo was on approach, and went to Flight Quarters, eager to receive what was described as 1200 pounds of First Class Mail. Suddenly, the Helo developed serious mechanical problems and the crew had to ditch into the ocean about 1000 yards astern of us. Everyone on the Flight Deck was obviously concerned, and we were able to witness the rescue of the Helo crew. But down to the bottom of the IO went our mail bags, and, as Sailors will do, the griping and colorful language ensued. More than once I heard comments like, "to hell with the crew, they should have saved the mail bags". I still laugh when I think back on that day.
When we received a load of mail the next time, I was missing over 20 numbered letters. Made it a bit difficult to follow the news from home, and when I was able to finally call home, I had to reset my wife's expectations of what I knew and didn't know.
Such was the life of a fleet sailor in the early '80s. One last thought, I also remember making a MARS call home from the harbor at Diego Garcia. Had to be connected through a half dozen or so HAM Radio operators who volunteered their time all over the world. Had to say "over" after each sentence, so they could switch the gear from transmit to receive. Anyone else ever do that?
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PO1 Jesse Armstrong
I served from 1990 to 2011 and I have seen everything from having my ship (USS Haleakala AE-25) having the first females on board and that meant that birthing had to be created and during SRA Period and policy had to be implemented concerning fraternizing with them. Next Tail Hook, Uniform change from the old dungarees to the new modern Dungarees to DCU's or the Blue camouflage uniform. Next came policy change to more Politically correct conduct now to don't ask don't tell policy to removing it to now the same sex partnership policy. A lot has happened in the last 20 years some good some really bad...
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PO2 Steven Erickson
Mail call? Mail call? What is this "mail call" thing of which you speak? I know not of such things. When the sub had tied up and the gangway was across, MAYBE we got mail...
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
PO2 Steven Erickson Speaking of sad mail calls. We were doing an Unrep, and had a mail shipment go into the sink. That was a rough day.
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Well I'm a submariner so rarely do we really have unclass internet access (on surface we do,early used so slow) we do get email though. Cell phones you can use if not working or on maneuvering watch. But you can Olly imagine that at sea you don't have signal.
Our missions focus on support war in the middle east mostly like every one else in the military. However to do some other thinks we did back in your time.
I'm pretty sure carriers don't have McD's (PRTs would be tough to pass) but I don't know much about that life. But I do know they have internet underway on surface ships, must be nice and TV. You should look in to watching Carrier (PBS series) seems like it maybe accurate to their life underway (sucks it focuses mustly on flight deck life and not most of the rest of the ship like they don't exist) but its pretty enjoyable and insiteful.
Our missions focus on support war in the middle east mostly like every one else in the military. However to do some other thinks we did back in your time.
I'm pretty sure carriers don't have McD's (PRTs would be tough to pass) but I don't know much about that life. But I do know they have internet underway on surface ships, must be nice and TV. You should look in to watching Carrier (PBS series) seems like it maybe accurate to their life underway (sucks it focuses mustly on flight deck life and not most of the rest of the ship like they don't exist) but its pretty enjoyable and insiteful.
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There's obviously room for a McD's in the hanger bay..sheesh! Hell I bet the crew wouldn't mind swapping out the forward galley for a Golden Arches! There was a McDonalds right in the middle of the enlisted parking lot for the Carrier piers at Norfolk back when I was there :)
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CPO Emmett (Bud) Carpenter
You would be surprised how little room there is on a carrier By the time you add the air wing with 90 aircraft things get real tight.
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CPO Emmett (Bud) Carpenter yup Chief, it does get tight. I served aboard CV-67 back in my day. But there's always room for McD's. :)
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