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So essentially, my chain of command seems to be retaliating against me because of a section I was attached to for the first half of my deployment. I can't go to my first or second line, and I am positive the company commander and 1SG are where the issues stemmed from because I mistakenly put some identifying sentences in my 'anonymous' survey (it was my first one, I messed it up terribly, I know). But, it has gotten to the point that my 1st and 2nd line don't want me hanging out with my battles in that section on or off duty, and they don't want me stopping in their ready room. I honestly don't know who to go to about this issue and the only thing I can think of is an Open door policy before going to JAG (if that is even an option). It is just really taking a toll on me mentally I think because I do not want to use an Open Door policy and have things get worse. It has gotten to the point that I walk into our TOC and everyone will greet me/respond to me, and my OIC and NCOIC will just ignore me as I walk by.
I guess my real question is, do I have to go through them to use an open-door policy? And are there any other steps I can take before that. I tried talking to my OIC and NCOIC but it seemed like they didn't even care. If anyone can give me some pointers, I am trying not to destroy any part of my career here.
I appreciate it.
I guess my real question is, do I have to go through them to use an open-door policy? And are there any other steps I can take before that. I tried talking to my OIC and NCOIC but it seemed like they didn't even care. If anyone can give me some pointers, I am trying not to destroy any part of my career here.
I appreciate it.
Posted 6 y ago
Responses: 11
You can utilize the open door policy at any time you want. You can tell your current leadership you are using it or you don't have to tell your leadership you are using it. It is regulations that ALL Commanders will have an open door policy. No one can stop you using the policy. So, you can take your issues up to your BN Command (or what ever level you have after your immediate unit) if you feel no resolution can be achieved with your immediate command. If nothing is resolved with BN level, then go up to Brigade. If that fails....you can take it up past your Brigade, file an IG complaint (if it fits within that realm) or file a congressional complaint.
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I just was not positive if that is the route I should go or not, because the Company Commander might be apart of this issue
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SPC (Join to see) - Then bypass the Company Commander and go straight to your Battalion Command level.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
SPC (Join to see) - I would start with your CO. If no one comes and brings stuff like this to his/her attention, he may be completely unaware of what seems like some pretty petty stuff. What the hell did you say to piss everyone off? If they are supervisors in the Army, they should be used being evaluated good and bad, and be adult enough to look at the bad to see what needs to be done to fix it.
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Good responses below SPC (Join to see) , 1SG (Join to see) made a good point to be prepared when talking to the Commander. However, I would look to your NCO Support Channel first prior to going to the Commander. (1SG/CSM)
If your direct leadership (section leader) are unable or unwilling to help you resolve the issue, take it to the 1SG and then the CSM, especially for personnel issues. The CSM helps guide the 1SGs in the BN in personnel matters.
I always advise using language like: "I am asking for your guidance with a concern of mine that is hampering my ability to perform at my highest level", i.e. seek to be lead, not to hold others accountable for behavior you perceive as an injustice.
Without knowing the content of the conversation you had with your direct leaders and their response to it, I would not be comfortable telling you to utilize the open door policy. Too often, when a Soldier comes to me under the open door policy, I speak with the first-line leader and they are completely unaware of the problem and are more than willing to correct any issues. Usually, when I follow up with the Soldier, all is well.
If your direct leadership (section leader) are unable or unwilling to help you resolve the issue, take it to the 1SG and then the CSM, especially for personnel issues. The CSM helps guide the 1SGs in the BN in personnel matters.
I always advise using language like: "I am asking for your guidance with a concern of mine that is hampering my ability to perform at my highest level", i.e. seek to be lead, not to hold others accountable for behavior you perceive as an injustice.
Without knowing the content of the conversation you had with your direct leaders and their response to it, I would not be comfortable telling you to utilize the open door policy. Too often, when a Soldier comes to me under the open door policy, I speak with the first-line leader and they are completely unaware of the problem and are more than willing to correct any issues. Usually, when I follow up with the Soldier, all is well.
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CSM William Everroad understandable, but this wasn't burdensome. Admittedly, my perception was from my seat, not the Soldier's.
When I saw their form, it made perfect sense for using it for the commander's Open Door policy.
Other than identifying information, the Soldier had to complete two blocks:
1. Nature of the problem.
2. Desired outcome.
The Marine Corps
The "desired outcome" block, IMO, forced the Soldier to take the time to determine if the issue was truly an issue, and if their desired outcome was feasible (authorized, prohibited).
It served to document what happens real world when a Soldier requests these the open door policy: Ask your supervisor; see the 1SG after your supervisor/PSG speaks to the 1SG; 1SG briefs commander; see the commander if it isn't resolved at those levels.
Request Mast (their version if Open Door) form is online with their policy. They actually track the requests.
When I saw their form, it made perfect sense for using it for the commander's Open Door policy.
Other than identifying information, the Soldier had to complete two blocks:
1. Nature of the problem.
2. Desired outcome.
The Marine Corps
The "desired outcome" block, IMO, forced the Soldier to take the time to determine if the issue was truly an issue, and if their desired outcome was feasible (authorized, prohibited).
It served to document what happens real world when a Soldier requests these the open door policy: Ask your supervisor; see the 1SG after your supervisor/PSG speaks to the 1SG; 1SG briefs commander; see the commander if it isn't resolved at those levels.
Request Mast (their version if Open Door) form is online with their policy. They actually track the requests.
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CSM William Everroad
1SG (Join to see) The more you explain it, the more I like it. It definitely improves accountability at the Command level for issue resolution. I guess I am just used to personally handling issues and going right to the leadership for resolution. But, in hindsight, there may have been issues that ended up not being resolved because there was no real way for the Commander to track it to be able to follow up on them.
In this line of thought, I am only referring to those cases that should be elevated to Command intervention, not necessarily those that are easily handled or solved.
In this line of thought, I am only referring to those cases that should be elevated to Command intervention, not necessarily those that are easily handled or solved.
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SPC Keith Smith
I would suggest this route as well. It's the 1SG/CSM responsibility is the welfare of the troops. Speak to your 1SG/CSM, more than likely they will talk to the Command for you.
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4187, request a transfer. Then when they ask why, explain it.
Truthfully, I never cared for anonymous crap. If it's true, own it.
Truthfully, I never cared for anonymous crap. If it's true, own it.
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Regs have likely changed since my time but there is a reality piece. I always had my SEL screen ENL and XO screen OFF sides. They both knew no retaliation, no harm no foul, etc. They'd figure out the CoC dynamics so we'd get a picture of the issue and how it was being properly or improperly handled. I also required the SEL and XO to make an effort to solve at the lowest level. If I was going to still get it, then they'd fill me in. If the SM demanded they only see me, fine. But I never bit off on the meeting. You always hear a story; usually someone is picking on me or life is unfair. I take it in and let them know I'd get back in a few days. During that time, I'd activate the XO or SEL as appropriate to run the issue to ground, let me know the but fors, what fors, etc. and I'd have the SM back in. I look at the open door as being the last safety valve before JAG, IG, Hotline, or whatever. Advice to any Skipper; don't gaff it off. Even doing things right will still result in the few mortar rounds being launched upline. First reaction from upline is did the Skipper do their job right. Be prepared to show you did. Upline hates getting your messes on their desk, so make sure you resolve. My track record? About 1/3rd something worthwhile to deal with and 2/3rds life is not fair, make a stay in or get out decision. BTW, never hold a Come to Jesus Meeting against anybody. Just deal with the aftermath and encourage positive change and growth. Track record on the 2/3rds? About 50-50 but the decision they made was quick and the result was quick too.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
Even at Company level, my first question to the soldier would be did he talk to his squad leader, Plt Sgt. or Plt. Leader. If he hadn't, he needed to give me a good reason why he didn't start there. Yes, about 2/3rds were life isn't fair (welcome to adulthood, soldier) and most of the rest for me were pay, school or promotion issues that someone had let fester.
Whether I held a Come to Jesus Meeting against someone depended on if that soldier had corrected whatever the meeting was about. If they did what they were supposed to do, no problem. A hell of a lot of good soldiers have an Article 15 (or two) on their record.
I was lucky that I never had to deal with that embarrassing question from the BN Commander about why I hadn't known about a problem or dealt with it before it got to him.
Whether I held a Come to Jesus Meeting against someone depended on if that soldier had corrected whatever the meeting was about. If they did what they were supposed to do, no problem. A hell of a lot of good soldiers have an Article 15 (or two) on their record.
I was lucky that I never had to deal with that embarrassing question from the BN Commander about why I hadn't known about a problem or dealt with it before it got to him.
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CAPT Kevin B.
The tricky one is sexual harassment or assault. The affected SM/SW is going through hell, not knowing who they can trust, potential of retaliation, you name it. Had several of those show up at Request Mast with most not wanting to talk to anyone else. For the ones that had merit, the problem was made to be gone very quickly which is a huge morale booster. I worked for the same Navy Systems Command my whole career, both MIL and CS. I've conducted several nasty JAGMANs and Admins. One of them involved a HQ individual back in DC. Got a good view of the DC "Rope-A-Dope". Another one dealt with management sponsored harassment with the tricky part being how far up? Got a chance a couple of years ago to speak at a MIL Ball. Ran into the MIL head of the shop that had that problem. He had no idea what I was talking about when I asked if he makes sure there isn't a recurrence. Turns out lack of proper turnover guarantees another one. And they wonder why women do not apply for slots in that shop or don't hang around long if they do.
Second thing is good Skippers know what training, experience, etc. their JOs have which is only so much. I was always careful to make a reasonable conclusion on how much say an O-3 coulda, woulda, shoulda. I fully get Skippers getting canned for some dumb A act someone did under their watch, but that premise stopped with me. Best defense is to ensure the CoC is fully comfortable communicating without fear or favor. Then make sure it is a growth experience for the CoC that sees how things are properly dealt with.
Second thing is good Skippers know what training, experience, etc. their JOs have which is only so much. I was always careful to make a reasonable conclusion on how much say an O-3 coulda, woulda, shoulda. I fully get Skippers getting canned for some dumb A act someone did under their watch, but that premise stopped with me. Best defense is to ensure the CoC is fully comfortable communicating without fear or favor. Then make sure it is a growth experience for the CoC that sees how things are properly dealt with.
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There's lots of good advice in this string on the open door policy. CAPT Kevin B. provided good insight on how commanders use open door policies.
My concern is with the possible retaliation against you by your supervisors for an answer you put in what appears to be a Command Climate Survey. My experience with the Army shows commanders and CSMs take these surveys very seriously. They also take keeping the responses anonymous seriously. Some survey results and comments have a way of becoming top-down guidance to "fix the problem." If your supervisors somehow determined you made statements in the survey that required them to make changes, then it is likely they are violating Army policy or regulation by retaliating against you. This type of retaliation is often grounds for an IG complaint. You may report their behavior to the IG, but you must be sure it is in fact retaliatory behavior and that you can prove it. First, look at your own job performance and attitude before you file an IG complaint. If you supervisor's behavior is possibly the result of you being difficult to supervise or underperforming, then you're the one who may need to change. Your supervisors aren't required to like you or socialize with you. Their job is to accomplish the mission and train Soldiers. Also, an IG investigation will be painful for your supervisors and everybody in your chain. It may not improve your situation, but it may improve the unit and Army in the long run. For you, transfer is a good option.
My concern is with the possible retaliation against you by your supervisors for an answer you put in what appears to be a Command Climate Survey. My experience with the Army shows commanders and CSMs take these surveys very seriously. They also take keeping the responses anonymous seriously. Some survey results and comments have a way of becoming top-down guidance to "fix the problem." If your supervisors somehow determined you made statements in the survey that required them to make changes, then it is likely they are violating Army policy or regulation by retaliating against you. This type of retaliation is often grounds for an IG complaint. You may report their behavior to the IG, but you must be sure it is in fact retaliatory behavior and that you can prove it. First, look at your own job performance and attitude before you file an IG complaint. If you supervisor's behavior is possibly the result of you being difficult to supervise or underperforming, then you're the one who may need to change. Your supervisors aren't required to like you or socialize with you. Their job is to accomplish the mission and train Soldiers. Also, an IG investigation will be painful for your supervisors and everybody in your chain. It may not improve your situation, but it may improve the unit and Army in the long run. For you, transfer is a good option.
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Basically it is open door, come anytime policy from your company on up that a SM can utilize if they have a valid concern that they feel is not being handled in a timely or progressive manner. There is no appointment or permission necessary to utilize this despite what some may claim. However better results can and have been achieved by making an appointment.
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Normally yes. In some instances, particularly when the leader is the problem you can get into see the next level. Make sure you are correct. You can check with JAG or the chaplain for guidance. Thank you for your service.
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The commander's Open Door Policy should be written and posted with other mandatory policies. Since you're deployed, that may be unlikely.
Inform your first line supervisor that you request to see the commander under the Open Door Policy.
Before you do, consider writing down (1) what you believe the issue is, and (2) what outcome you seek.
With regard to the "anonymous" survey that you "outed" yourself on: consider what you wrote, and whether it was legitimate, whining, etc.
I'm not suggesting that it matters whether what you wrote on the survey was legitimate, or not, but you need to consider the perception of you that it generated.
Whether the survey was considered a "protected communication," depends on who administered it (e.g., IG, EEOA).
In general, communications with the IG, EEOA, or Member of Congress are considered "protected communications" and retaliation is prohibited.
So, unless it was a protected communication, it likely won't be considered retaliation. Retaliation for protected communications is prohibited.
Prohibited doesn't mean it won't happen, or that someone who retaliates will be punished. It only means it shouldn't happen.
If, in hindsight, you believe what you said was untrue, irresponsible, or a misunderstanding, own it.
If you alienated others it, doesn't mean it's retaliation. It could simply be you self-identified as someone who, based on what you wrote and how you wrote it, others now want to avoid you.
I'm not downing you. I'm trying to be realistic.
Whatever conclusion you reach, address it when you speak with the commander.
If you messed up, own it, and continue to march. You'll have to earn a different reputation.
Inform your first line supervisor that you request to see the commander under the Open Door Policy.
Before you do, consider writing down (1) what you believe the issue is, and (2) what outcome you seek.
With regard to the "anonymous" survey that you "outed" yourself on: consider what you wrote, and whether it was legitimate, whining, etc.
I'm not suggesting that it matters whether what you wrote on the survey was legitimate, or not, but you need to consider the perception of you that it generated.
Whether the survey was considered a "protected communication," depends on who administered it (e.g., IG, EEOA).
In general, communications with the IG, EEOA, or Member of Congress are considered "protected communications" and retaliation is prohibited.
So, unless it was a protected communication, it likely won't be considered retaliation. Retaliation for protected communications is prohibited.
Prohibited doesn't mean it won't happen, or that someone who retaliates will be punished. It only means it shouldn't happen.
If, in hindsight, you believe what you said was untrue, irresponsible, or a misunderstanding, own it.
If you alienated others it, doesn't mean it's retaliation. It could simply be you self-identified as someone who, based on what you wrote and how you wrote it, others now want to avoid you.
I'm not downing you. I'm trying to be realistic.
Whatever conclusion you reach, address it when you speak with the commander.
If you messed up, own it, and continue to march. You'll have to earn a different reputation.
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I know it is late and not sure if you are still in. That said, you owned up to your mistake and are now paying for it. I'm not saying it is fair, but at least you owned up to it. I would ask that you go up the chain of command to resolve it. If it can't be done at the company level and you tried everything, go up to the battalion level. Nobody has the right to retaliate against you, if you find yourself in that situation, I would again work in out at the lowest level. If you have finally found yourself at the highest level and nothing happens after giving it time and following up, then I recommend IG.
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