Posted on Aug 29, 2019
How is it moral to have a new NCO to the unit pull extra duty watch on a Soldier who received UCMJ before that NCOs arrival?
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So let me get this straight
You’re asking if it’s moral to assign a noncommissioned officer a supervisory task.
I’ll give you the short professional answer.
Yes
The NCO corps weeps a little in that the question was even asked.
You’re asking if it’s moral to assign a noncommissioned officer a supervisory task.
I’ll give you the short professional answer.
Yes
The NCO corps weeps a little in that the question was even asked.
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Moral? Is it banned by the Bible? According to regulations and oath aren't all NCO's responsible for ensuring training, discipline, etc . of their troops?. Are you suggesting perhaps that the old NCO should be brought back from God's know elsewhere to supervise this SM. Not trying to bust your chops Luis, but your question is boggling.
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So the old NCO is transitioning out of the unit but still here. I just didn’t understand why I would send an newly appointed NCO to watch an extra duty Soldier who is being processed for a chapter. I’m trying to understand how its developmentally beneficial the NCO to take time away from home family responsibilities to watch a Soldier who just doesn’t care. I know NCOs have duties but why would a leader have to serve a duty for a punishment that happened before his/her arrival.
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SGM Bill Frazer
The SM must be supervised, and that a NCO's job- If you feel its NCO punishment- then do it yourself Life is not fair Luis, and the "Big Green Wienie" is always there.
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Maj John Bell
SFC (Join to see) - Punishment is not, nor has it ever been just about the punished. It is for all within sight, or hearing, or discussion.
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SFC James William Bolt [ 40 Yards ]
SFC (Join to see) - If your do like your life as a NCO give up the Army get out take care of your family DUTY COME FIRST sign 40 yards
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Extra duty watch is a typical NCO duty, whether you are new to a unit or not, right? Or have things changed that much in the 11 years since I’ve been an NCO?
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A newly joined individual is not normally deeply involved in operations of the unit. Makes sense to use him/her for a watch that would normally remove individuals from their normal duties that contribute to the readiness of the unit then allow the NCO to assume his normal duties when the watch requirements are fulfilled. The reasons and objectives of the extra duties should be briefed and the new NCO can demonstrate his competence as a leader and example while working with the individual performing the extra duty.
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LtCol Robert Quinter
CSM Richard StCyr - Thanks, glad to know he brain isn't totally atrophied after all these years!
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Gotcha CSM. I just see it as NCO being punished for doing all they could with no results from careless so called Soldiers who have been properly counseled, briefed, and every other type of development thing that can be done. But I do understand your response CSM.
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CSM Richard StCyr
SFC (Join to see) - Tracking, but it's not punishment it's an NCO responsibility. We used to have the SDNCO and CQs supervise the Extra duty Soldiers as they were there already.
Is the unit having Team and Squad Leaders supervise their Soldiers that receive NJP? Different approach but still not punishment since as NCOs we were responsible for our Soldiers action good or bad. Unit may be trying to instill a sense of ownership in the leaders.
Is the unit having Team and Squad Leaders supervise their Soldiers that receive NJP? Different approach but still not punishment since as NCOs we were responsible for our Soldiers action good or bad. Unit may be trying to instill a sense of ownership in the leaders.
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Makes sense to me... a new NCO is not integral to the day to day operations of the unit, so their absence can be afforded without disrupting day to day OPTEMPO.
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SGM Erik Marquez
So you’re saying the senior leader of the unit is supposed to utilize available resources where they can best accomplish the mission or task regardless of rank duty position or Dare I said longevity in the unit?
Who would’ve thunk
Who would’ve thunk
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Why would it be immoral to have a NCO do the duty assignment he is given?
Which in this case is to supervise a soldier on Extra Duty.
There's something you're not telling us - correct?
Come on now. You can tell us -
Did the NCO say something at an inappropriate time or place?
SFC James William Bolt [ 40 Yards ]] - Maj John Bell - SFC Brad P. - SGM Erik Marquez - CSM Richard StCyr - LtCol Robert Quinter - SFC (Join to see) - MAJ Byron Oyler -
Which in this case is to supervise a soldier on Extra Duty.
There's something you're not telling us - correct?
Come on now. You can tell us -
Did the NCO say something at an inappropriate time or place?
SFC James William Bolt [ 40 Yards ]] - Maj John Bell - SFC Brad P. - SGM Erik Marquez - CSM Richard StCyr - LtCol Robert Quinter - SFC (Join to see) - MAJ Byron Oyler -
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Because that person is an NCO. Taking cate of, supervising, and mentoring Soldiers is what NCOs do. It doesn't matyer the Soldier's history OR the NCOs.
TL;DR version: NCOs do your damn job.
TL;DR version: NCOs do your damn job.
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It may be an unusual circumstance, but I certain wouldn't view it as immoral.
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I don't understand. New NCO watches Soldier who received UCMJ before NCO's arrival. How do you get assigned when you aren't even there yet? Are you the new NCO assigned to watch another NCO? Or are you the NCO being watched? If you're the new arrival, how did you get on the DA6 so fast that you're watching a UCMJ receipent? Why is he being watched? Is he on extra duty or suicide watch? Did they have everyone else doing something? Are you his newly assigned Platoon Sergeant or squad leader? Did you ask questions? You're really not giving us much to go on.
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