Posted on Jan 9, 2016
How is it that the Army is recruiting but downsizing?
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There will always be shortages and over strength MOS's. They recruit the shortages, what they are doing is trimming the fat from the middle.
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They are reducing units and positions. They still need people to replace the large number of Soldiers that ETS normally.
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Privates are cheaper than SSGs. They are less opinionated and more PC. They aren't thinking about retirement any time soon
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The Army always needs more Privates.
Always.
Even when it is shrinking.
They are the muscle that makes a unit go.
Always.
Even when it is shrinking.
They are the muscle that makes a unit go.
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Well they have to still recruit new soldiers to replace the ones we loose to war and to ETS. Plus you have to look at the ones who are retiring and the lower ranks who don't make the rank and the allotted amount of years. It's harder to get into the military now. I've talk to a few of the young adults who are getting ready to graduate school and it's allot harder on them to come in. If you have been on a ADHD medicine or have bad asthma and have been on medication for that also you have to wait or prove you no longer have it. They want perfectly healthy recruits now. My son couldn't get in because of asthma and ADHD medication and my daughter also. I also have one young man I'm mentoring who was on the medication for ADHD and they told him he need to wait a year and be off the meds for a year before they would look at him. You know the use to just say children had ADHD in the ninetys when they couldn't figure what was wrong with them.
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MCPO Roger Collins
If that was right, the downsizing would be unnecessary and attrition could be used for dropping personnel strength. This is all about reducing costs now. And the elimination of what is viewed as undesirable. Clean up the pool, so to speak.
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forced retirement, PT failures severed from service, MOS shuffle and general reorganization process and house cleaning and promotions and of course new cruits being brought in all to fill in the gaps.
But mainly its the MOS and soldier shuffle downsizing in certain areas and increasing in more vital areas that are running short.
But mainly its the MOS and soldier shuffle downsizing in certain areas and increasing in more vital areas that are running short.
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To me it seems like they are bringing in Soldiers just so they can QMP or QSP Soldiers. Then we will have the problem of promoting Soldiers into the NCO Corp that do not know what they are doing and the Army is going to be really in a bad spot.
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This is a good question. I have pondered this as well. Troops are lost to attrition, combat (wounded or KIA) and disability all the time. I would hope that recruiting occurs at a rate equal to or higher than attrition. I also think that once Obama is no longer President, downsizing of the military will be put on a back burner until the multiple conflicts we are involved in are ended. I am all for saving money that is handed out abusively to contractors and support entities.
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MCPO Roger Collins
Should be a simple equation for the experts in manpower (can that term still be used?). A 450000 cap on headcount, estimate on normal attrition and you have an estimate of recruitment needs.
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Some of these answers are really amazing. Rather than state again some of the actual answers, there is a Brookings Study that addresses this process to great detail supported by input from Odierno. Look up "getting-active-army-end-strength-right-evans/army-end-strength". It addresses the point of where the remaining 450,000 remaining troops will be assigned and the flaws with the adding of junior personnel, while letting career depart. OK, one paragraph:
Based largely on the historical elasticity of the Army, many believe that a relatively small
force can be maintained and then rapidly expanded during times of national need. While
the draft allowed for this type of expansion during the 19th and most of the 20th century,
the advent of the all-volunteer force presents challenges to this technique. The speed of
innovation and information technology has increased the pace of operations and the
ability of malign actors to spread effects, influence, and actions across the battlefield.
The ability to rapidly deliver trained and ready combat units is essential to the 21st
century Army. Most soldiers in the Army today spend at least five years in the service.
This amount of time is essential for them to develop reasonable expertise in
increasingly difficult military skill sets. By contrast, draftees of the past spent only two
years in the service, far less time than required to develop even a modicum of expertise
on the complex battlefield systems and network modalities of the 21st century.
Additionally, disparities of race and ethnicity would be skewed by a draftee force,
amplifying the challenge to maintain diversity in the Army and keeping it a force that
provides a representative sampling of the broader American population
Based largely on the historical elasticity of the Army, many believe that a relatively small
force can be maintained and then rapidly expanded during times of national need. While
the draft allowed for this type of expansion during the 19th and most of the 20th century,
the advent of the all-volunteer force presents challenges to this technique. The speed of
innovation and information technology has increased the pace of operations and the
ability of malign actors to spread effects, influence, and actions across the battlefield.
The ability to rapidly deliver trained and ready combat units is essential to the 21st
century Army. Most soldiers in the Army today spend at least five years in the service.
This amount of time is essential for them to develop reasonable expertise in
increasingly difficult military skill sets. By contrast, draftees of the past spent only two
years in the service, far less time than required to develop even a modicum of expertise
on the complex battlefield systems and network modalities of the 21st century.
Additionally, disparities of race and ethnicity would be skewed by a draftee force,
amplifying the challenge to maintain diversity in the Army and keeping it a force that
provides a representative sampling of the broader American population
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Because the Army is essentially a conveyer belt. We will always need new faces because old faces WILL leave for whatever reason. The only difference during downsizing is how many new faces we bring in, and the qualification standards that we apply (looser during war, tighter during downsizing).
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The Army must always do that because of attrition and also accounting for those Somduers that are in the training base.
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Everyone thinks that the Army is downsizing, but we really aren't. If you look at it the Army will recruit for the same amount of new enlistments each year because they already know that some will quit, get hurt, or get in erroneously. Now this is where we get the impression about downsizing, when I buddy to the left or right of us is getting separated because he/she haven't attended any schooling in the last 5-10 years, haven't done any civilian education, and has been getting 3/4's. I'm not saying everyone is getting separated on those terms but that is taking place in our ranks. I think the easiest fix is to get the SPEC ranks back because not everyone wants to lead, but they are or could be great technical wise in their MOS. I remember when I joined I learned so much from that 10- 5 yr SPC, and my Squad leader was like a god I barely spoke with him, and only saw him for formations and disciplinary actions if any.
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They still have to recruit to fill the junior enlisted slots that are always in need of filling. Even with the force reduction there are those that will get out on their own free will and they still need to be replaced.
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MCPO Roger Collins
Absolutely. And as stated before criteria should be the highest possible to ensure those that chooses the military as a career can carry the load as well as those being replaced.
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A lot of people responded to deal with attrition. The other thing that gets looked at is maintaining grade and billet continuity so you don't create gaps that can pester the service for 20 years. So there will always be new recruits every year. Fewer? Yes. BTW current SMs who are in a series or MOS that's say undermanned at E-5 will tend to see promotion to E-6 stretched out while the backfill capability catches up.
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It's the balancing act of the three legged stool. You have Accessions (recruiting), retention, and attrition (ets, meb, chapter). All while trying to manage end strength and force allignment.
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