Posted on Sep 19, 2014
SSG Pete Fleming
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There have been a lot of discussions regarding the whole 'heritage' month thing. I am not wanting to get into the 'big' debate. In fact, I think everyone should be proud of their heritage and background, whether you're a first generation or a 10th generation. But whatever happened to just being an American?

Well, actually that is misleading if you think about it…

Canadians, Mexicans, Brazilians, Falkland Islanders we're all Americans. Which is not an ethnicity or a race but continents largely made up of non-indigenous people. The Native Americans are the original Americans (by the geographical use of the word) however, that opens a whole new debate… Please save that for a different discussion (thank you).

The name though, that is one thing our founding fathers should have considered when they gave birth to a new nation. Like all new parents, they think of a name that is so cute at the time, then reality hits. Something I can relate to, my poor daughter… However, calling us a United Statesian just doesn't sound right... So back to being American (USA) and proud!

Moving on…

Now as it has been pointed out in previous discussions we lump everybody into one category or another, besides my aforementioned American. Something, many wish we would just stick with. Focus on what unites us and not what separates us. After all just how many generations of living in a place (nation) does it take for one to stop counting themselves as part this or that? 1-2-3-4-5 ("the kind of thing an idiot would have on his luggage!") Just how many degrees of separation are necessary before you are solely an American (USA)?

Many refuse to see it that way and everyone wants to be united yet remain individual??? And be recognized for this, yet ironically they still allow themselves to be lumped together??? Asians, as example, have May... Asia is a large place made up a lot of different people. Native Americans have November (again a large diverse group of people). February Black history month… Even zombies get a month (they share May). The Hispanics have September-October…

But now where is European American month? Just like Asia and Africa, Europe is a continent. Most of the current nations in the 'Americas' trace their roots East to European beginnings. Hispanics, are of Spanish decent… which is in Europe… ergo… we should celebrate National European Month.

However, we don't…

So this brings me back to be proud of who you are, where you came from, and the contributions that have been made. But if The United States is to move forward we need to be American first or otherwise we all should call ourselves Nigerian-American, Greek-American, Dutch-American… though I prefer the plain and simple American.

Actually I think I will add one last point for consideration…

My great- times whatever- grandmother (Miss Jansen) was born in the Flatlands (Fort Nassau, the first Dutch settlement in North America) New York Area in 1617 they returned to Holland then came back a few years later. Miss Jansen married Jan Van Arsdalen (Born in Holland) and had Simon Van Arsdalen (born in 'America'). Jump ahead to 1936, my mother, maiden last name Van Arsdalen was born (in The United States). The family tree directly traces the line, on US soil, all the back to Miss Jansen, and even on back to Holland for another couple hundred years at least.

So, my mother's family is clearly of direct Dutch heritage (most likely 'pure' blooded Dutch) and has been on 'American' soil almost 400 years… Does that make me a Dutch-American or have I earned the right to be just American?
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PO2 Ron Burling
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But...but...but my mother was a full blood Ojibwa Indian and I'm old enough that I may not be around for any different discussions! ;-)
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"Heritage"...the word implies the past. To be justifiably proud of one's origins is not disengaging from pride in one's nationality. I believe current events muddy this issue, and the best way to approach this issue is to separate "heritage" from "issue".
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I once heard someone describing a person of African descent living in Japan as an "African American..." what chutzpah!

But seriously, sociological studies have shown that imigrant families lose the vast majority of their native culture by the third generation - the third generation is usually fully assimilated. I am a third generation Litvak, and I speak no Yiddish, Russian, or any other Eastern European language. I am a dedicated Jew, but I'm the only one in my family who is...

Enough said.
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Did anyone do that one million veteran DNA test with the VA?
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SSG Pete Fleming
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SFC Mark Merino, I know the Army has taken so many DNA and other fluid samples, there be about 50 clones of me running around... but remind, what are you referring to...?
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We use them for the super Soldier project.
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SPC Richard White
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I have found that if you can trace your family tree to a particular point and come up with documentation then you may claim whatever heritage you are claiming.I know in my family one side is European and the other is hispanic and there are some mixes in the blood line.So its whatever you embrace.Call yourself what you want.
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SSG Pete Fleming
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SPC Richard White, fair enough, good answer, thanks
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SFC Mark Merino
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SPC Richard White SSG Pete Fleming Lee Greenwood said it best, "I'm Proud To Be An AMERICAN" I was hoping to discover I was Greek, or Tunisian, or something totally unexpected with a HIGH percentage so it would be easier to trace my heritage. When you are 1% of 100 nationalities............
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SSG Pete Fleming
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SFC Mark Merino, your head must hurt worse than a mediator at the UN...
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CDR Kenneth Kaiser
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Thank you. You summed it up very well. I am the son of an Army officer (who told my brother and I to join the Navy, but that is another story). My dad and mom instilled certain values or tenants which have guided me. First respect is earned, secondly you can lose that respect very easily with one or two stupid actions. Third whether you are wearing the uniform or just associated with it (e.g. a dependent) your actions reflect upon that service or in some cases service members in general. So what does that have to do with the question. From these premises I concluded that my behavior, my character determined who I was. Not my heritage. You are not hot tempered because you are of Irish decent or have red hair. You are not lazy or stupid because you are black, You are not stupid because you are Polish or whatever. You are what you are because of you and what you have made of yourself. We as a nation have fought for too long to get away from these stereotypes and now it seems that we are clamoring to recapture them. That is very disturbing. It leads to promotions or awards based upon quotas or worse yet it leads to the idea of entitlement. Life is not always fair, but the way to fix it is not grant unequal opportunity. Rather the goal should be as stated by Dr. King to base it on ability, not skin color, not ethnicity. Heritage months etc are not quite that bad but the promote indirectly the concept that your heritage (Black, Hispanic, and I am not sure who else there is in the current favored status) instills in you certain characteristics which in turn can lead to discrimination based upon generalizations. And that to me is not good.
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SSG Pete Fleming
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CDR Kenneth Kaiser, I appreciate your taking the time provide an in-depth perspective. I feel we have gone away from the concept of 'One nation'... Ok perhaps we were actually designed as 50 (13) nations under one flag but it's that flag that unites us, hence the reason we were called The United States (despite its future identity issues)...

I get flak for saying either you are an American or you are Dutch (in my case) but don't be both... split loyalties never really give true loyalty to either side... I am sure someone will comment... But if I were Dutch-American (USA) and other Dutch Americans decided to reclaim New Amsterdam... I think people can see where I am going...

PS: I owe you a thumb.
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CDR Kenneth Kaiser
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Pete, you are right. Myself, I come from a long line of mercenaries and military folks, so my predecessors include, German, Irish, French, English, Scots, and who knows what else. I decided I am who I am not based upon my heritage per se but because of the character traits passed down to me through my parents. I guess I owe several folks thumbs, I am new to this forum which is one of the best I have encountered. I am still figuring out certain aspects. The older I get the less I know. ( but it is all good)
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