Posted on May 9, 2015
How much more money are we going to spend on Afghanistan's infrastructure?
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According to the below news article, the U.S. is considering spending millions (on top of millions already spent) to build a solar power plant in Kandahar.
(1) What are your thoughts on this? (2) Isn't it time for us to stop rebuilding the infrastructure of other countries and focus on rebuilding our own? (3) How is this kind of spending benefiting the American people (who, after all, are the ones paying for it)? (4) How is this kind of "investment" even sustainable, given our current debt?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/as-us-withdraws-from-afghanistan-darkness-falls-on-talibans-birthplace/2015/05/08/51ca4348-dd76-11e4-b6d7-b9bc8acf16f7_story.html?tid=HP_more?tid=HP_more
(1) What are your thoughts on this? (2) Isn't it time for us to stop rebuilding the infrastructure of other countries and focus on rebuilding our own? (3) How is this kind of spending benefiting the American people (who, after all, are the ones paying for it)? (4) How is this kind of "investment" even sustainable, given our current debt?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/as-us-withdraws-from-afghanistan-darkness-falls-on-talibans-birthplace/2015/05/08/51ca4348-dd76-11e4-b6d7-b9bc8acf16f7_story.html?tid=HP_more?tid=HP_more
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In my three tours to Afghanistan I noticed a disturbing trend. Some of the locations and types of projects we were funding and providing security for were peculiar. I began to wonder if we weren't building things to draw Taliban attacks to us. Here we are spending millions of dollars on a project the locals want (just not where or when we wanted to build it) and it seemed to get attacked while building or destroyed shortly after completion. If we truly are only there in an advisory capacity then why are we building anything? That time has past, whether a tactic of war or to truly beef up their infrastructure, which will only be owned by the Taliban eventually. They are like dandelions in your yard. As soon as you have them all gone, the seeds from the neighboring yards blow into yours and they're back.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
We do, so long as its not spent in, on or for the benefit the US. I heard its all referenced in the presidential "Book of Secrets"
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Disgraceful but then again, try to build it here in the US and all the tree hugging, "not in my back yard" protestors come out and make it impossible.
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GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad
I just find it incredibly short-sighted that we keep pouring money into another country's infrastructure while our own crumbles. How is this kind of spending benefiting the American people (who, after all, are the ones paying for it)? How is this kind of "investment" even sustainable, given our current debt?
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Lt Col Timothy Parker, DBA
Maybe we learned a lesson from WWI and WWII. As I'm sure you recall, the allies failed to give Germany proper support to rebuild after WWI so we ended up with WWII (driven by German nationalism). After WWII the allies provided support for rebuilding Europe (Germany) under the Marshall Plan. I think the Marshall Plan was meant to bolster their infrastructure and therefore their economy so they could join the rest of Europe and the world in production and economic growth (as opposed to resorting to other ideologies like Communism at the time). Could we be think along the same lines in Afghanistan?
Note that after WWII NATO was formed which was intended to resist the USSR and keep Germany down. Germany was subsequently allowed to join and has been a great partner. The original intent of NATO was military and economic cooperation.
Note that after WWII NATO was formed which was intended to resist the USSR and keep Germany down. Germany was subsequently allowed to join and has been a great partner. The original intent of NATO was military and economic cooperation.
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SSG Adam Wyatt
Yes but, COIN does not work. We don't have the troops, funding, or the time/ tolerance to allow it to work. We have stepped away from our mission of killing the enemy to buy their friendship and that is a dangerous game to play. Some cultures are only persuaded by death and power. That is the case here. America has lost great men and women to this war but that's what happens in combat. People die. And when you're not willing to risk everything, you've already lost. Politicians are scaling back on the things that need to be done because dead soldiers are not good for reelection. This is a war of politics as much as it's a war of attrition.
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Lt Col Timothy Parker, DBA
SSg Wyatt, good points. Note that every war is a war of politics - war is simply politics by other means (Clausewitz, "On War"). That said, I do agree that too many decision have been made due to domestic political considerations versus doing the right military thing.
I still think that if we don't set up the Afghans economically then we may end up there again. No one wants a safe haven in the mid-east for terrorist to flourish (other than Iran). So, for me I think we may be at a tipping point where the Afghans can take the lead (with our support of course) and let them take the brunt of the fighting. I say this at a distance of a few thousand miles - not in country - so others may have a better view than I have.
I still think that if we don't set up the Afghans economically then we may end up there again. No one wants a safe haven in the mid-east for terrorist to flourish (other than Iran). So, for me I think we may be at a tipping point where the Afghans can take the lead (with our support of course) and let them take the brunt of the fighting. I say this at a distance of a few thousand miles - not in country - so others may have a better view than I have.
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The best things to build in Afghanistan are the simplest, cheapest, and most helpful. Cisterns and water conservation projects are of great assistance to the local population, are very easy to maintain, and are difficult to demolish if the Taliban is feeling frisky. Problem is, they benefit the local insurgents as well. National-level projects like transmission lines and roads to nowhere are fool's errands.
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At one time Afghanistan was moving into a modern world, then the extreme 5th century islamists took over.
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I think the key phrase in that story was, "lit like it was in the 19th century." That's about where the Taliban and other such groups want it, although I'd modify that by saying they want things as they were in about the 14th or 15th century, if not earlier. Dependence begets servitude and when you have a populace pining for the days when the Taliban were in charge, there's something clearly very wrong.
It's a vicious cycle, to answer the original question: we can't stay there and hold their hands forever; and yet we're still in Germany, Italy, Japan and Korea after several decades. And you're right to point out that this is costing John Q. Citizen every day for benefits that seem, as best, like mixed blessings. And that's with money we really don't have, for the record.
On the other hand, if Afghanistan, particularly in the heart of Pashtun country, regresses to the way it was before OEF began, we'll be right back where we started in late 2001. If the Afghans could embrace the concept of federalism or some form thereof, maybe, just maybe, the internecine tribal and intra-tribal conflicts could be put to the side and they could harness mother nature's provisions instead of relying indefinitely on generators. Frankly, that seems like a long reach at this point.
It's a vicious cycle, to answer the original question: we can't stay there and hold their hands forever; and yet we're still in Germany, Italy, Japan and Korea after several decades. And you're right to point out that this is costing John Q. Citizen every day for benefits that seem, as best, like mixed blessings. And that's with money we really don't have, for the record.
On the other hand, if Afghanistan, particularly in the heart of Pashtun country, regresses to the way it was before OEF began, we'll be right back where we started in late 2001. If the Afghans could embrace the concept of federalism or some form thereof, maybe, just maybe, the internecine tribal and intra-tribal conflicts could be put to the side and they could harness mother nature's provisions instead of relying indefinitely on generators. Frankly, that seems like a long reach at this point.
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Watch the movie "Charlie Wilson's war" with Tom Hanks and you will have a different prospective.
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Check with Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan, the British Empire, and the Soviet Union.
http://truth-out.org/archive/component/k2/item/86116:afghanistan-where-empires-go-to-die
http://truth-out.org/archive/component/k2/item/86116:afghanistan-where-empires-go-to-die
Afghanistan: Where Empires Go to Die
    On September 7 the Swedish aid agency Swedish Committee for Afghanistan reported that the previous week US soldiers raided on...
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What a great picture to show what a waste of money it probably will be.
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