Posted on Mar 17, 2015
How to differentiate personnel's rank during PT? Choice #2 worked amazingly in Hawaii.
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Personally, I think that the different color belts are a much better idea that way you can avoid an unneeded sharp complaint. (some people are petty like that)
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The P.T. belt is way out of control. I loved when we went from the shoot me F*#k me vests to the P.T. belt but, I am starting to miss the vest now. I swear I have every color of P.T. belt made and I count it as pro gear when I PCS. The other services laugh at us for "color coding" and putting our rank on our P.T. belt and I don't blame them, it's ridiculous.
I do however like the fact that everyone in the division formation can see the officers and NCOs that fall out of the division runs. That almost makes it worth it...almost.
I do however like the fact that everyone in the division formation can see the officers and NCOs that fall out of the division runs. That almost makes it worth it...almost.
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TSgt Michelle McCann
CDR (Join to see) - When did you go through? I went through basic in 93, and everyone was wearing sneakers by then. This is kinda a moot point now.
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Not sure how I survived 21 years in the Army - Asia Europe Africa - without ONCE wearing a stupid reflective belt OR vest. If someone is too stupid to avoid getting hit by a car...that is the Darwin Principle in effect.
SP5 Michael Ingenito
In my day, we did P.T. in Starched Fatigues, Combat boots, & Tee Shirts ! Airborne All the Way
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How about neither?
I am doing PT to do PT. When in a squad platoon or company, everyone in that formation knew the ranks of the leaders. For every confrontation I have ever observed during PT, it was from one person outide the unit of the other. An introduction was always involved but more importantly, rank was never the issue -- one person was doing something not correct (or in a unit doing something not correct) and the other person (leader) was making a correction. Rank was an accessory to the entire situation.
Some may wear rank because it makes them feel good about themselves. My CSM told me that if I can salute and have a retort to every solider that ran by, then I wasn't doing hard enough PT.
If someone in my unit saw me doing PT, I would expect them to say, "Good morning, sir" when recognized and they should expect I will greet them as well (any NCO want to help educate the masses on the real origin of the salute...unarmed, not a nod to rank or position).
We differentiate in cases like this but we are not sincere about the reasons. Lack of sincerity is one of the main themes in the recent study on us being dishonest as a force.
Let it go. If for an hour and half of your day you are not given a nod because you have rank, it'll be okay. If you are a junior soldier, don't be disrespectful and play dumb.
Do harder PT!
I am doing PT to do PT. When in a squad platoon or company, everyone in that formation knew the ranks of the leaders. For every confrontation I have ever observed during PT, it was from one person outide the unit of the other. An introduction was always involved but more importantly, rank was never the issue -- one person was doing something not correct (or in a unit doing something not correct) and the other person (leader) was making a correction. Rank was an accessory to the entire situation.
Some may wear rank because it makes them feel good about themselves. My CSM told me that if I can salute and have a retort to every solider that ran by, then I wasn't doing hard enough PT.
If someone in my unit saw me doing PT, I would expect them to say, "Good morning, sir" when recognized and they should expect I will greet them as well (any NCO want to help educate the masses on the real origin of the salute...unarmed, not a nod to rank or position).
We differentiate in cases like this but we are not sincere about the reasons. Lack of sincerity is one of the main themes in the recent study on us being dishonest as a force.
Let it go. If for an hour and half of your day you are not given a nod because you have rank, it'll be okay. If you are a junior soldier, don't be disrespectful and play dumb.
Do harder PT!
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SGT(P) Jody Hall
How can any soldier do PT and not know who the leader is giving it. Evan a visiter gets the the warning that Cpl, Spc(p), Sgt, Ssg, Sfc... or so is giving PT today/tomorrow. OMG look out it will be hard/brutal/easy day.
Joe likes to talk. I think this is someone looking for something to post to impress.
I am not impressed by this discussion.
How about, can you tell me about your hardest, best results leading PT?
I was known for the "Jane Fonda" workought. She had that video for arobics. I tought everyone to be stronger than her and have abbs of steal.
They cried so much when I gave PT.
Abbs were my weakness.
We worked them so hard when I was leading PT.
Joe likes to talk. I think this is someone looking for something to post to impress.
I am not impressed by this discussion.
How about, can you tell me about your hardest, best results leading PT?
I was known for the "Jane Fonda" workought. She had that video for arobics. I tought everyone to be stronger than her and have abbs of steal.
They cried so much when I gave PT.
Abbs were my weakness.
We worked them so hard when I was leading PT.
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CPT Earl George
When I was doing PT, there was somebody in charge. They directed the PT. They ran the show. You were in their PT doing what they told you to do. They usually started the PT by telling everyone who they were and what to expect.
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Not sure how I survived 21 years in the Army - Asia Europe Africa - without ONCE wearing a stupid reflective belt OR vest. If someone is too stupid to avoid getting hit by a car...that is the Darwin Principle in effect.
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There's no rank during PT. The only ones who pull rank are the officers getting a beat down by junior enlisted. It's all good.
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SSG Timothy Lanham
MAJ (Join to see) - Only time I ever saw rank during PT was Division runs. The Div Cdr had stars on his tee shirt.
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SGT(P) Jody Hall
You should know the Officers and NCOs in front of you.
If you don't your leaders failed you. Possibly your chain of command.
As an Aviator, As an engineer I am finding this thread very insultuing. I think we have had high standards for our soldiers.
I hope anyone on enlisted duty sees and read this.
This is a good thinking lesson for E6 and bellow.
Squad leaders and assiant squad leaders keep Joe/Jane informed.
I have been through wars, promotion boards, woundering if I would live throught the rest of the day, let alone the week or the month.
You should know the Officers and NCOs in front of you.
If you don't your leaders failed you. Possibly your chain of command.
All NCOs have the rank of Senior NCOs and Officers.
Why does it matter????
Did the military fall upside down this year?
Why does anyone care about Physical Fitnessness instructers rank for the person leading it. Ok it might be imporat in conversation. My solders would have known a month in advance normally.
Ususally THAT NCO IS working very hard to do best to lead the way by example in front of all of so many watching that "Might" punk out for days.
The rank is the highest in the unit doing PT at that time. And if you doubt me, go up and tell them NO.
The Officer or NCO that smacks you right down... Lowest rank in the authority of the one giving PT at that moment.
Late to formation for division run.
The person that told me has the rank of the 82nd fort bragg base commander.
None cares about a PT shirt (stars/sash/belt).
Who takes that into combat? Burrial detail, Unit formal?
Audy Murphy is rolling in his grave...
Did everyone forget Bnoc and Anoc.
Baron von Steuben...
The only thing that matters......
NCOs have the rank of the officer or NCO that set them to a task.
NCO's accomplish the Officers Oath (Officers I hope you remember, we keep your oath).
This is a stupid stupid conversation.
I really must go back to what is wrong with people asking rank of leader in PT.
Rule 1.
Follow you orders.
Rule 2.
Do the best that you can, see rule 1.
Rule 3.
I don't care. "Just help us follow rule one and two."
Rule 4.
If you follow rules 1-3. Sargent will take care of you as always. We are a team.
Ask Sargenant for help immediatly. Really before it is to late or you mess up rule one or two.... :D
All knows who the leaders unless the COC is failing.
NCO's are in charge of PT. Minute by minute.
We are where the rubber meats the road.
They know our rank and who we are. If not there is a leadership problem.
We lead the men. Officers lead and tain us NCOs and trust us to fill thier mission objectives.
Once I had an officer call me out during Bn PT. "Sir, you need to speak with the Smag. For now do what I asked, please. Sir."
We NCO's represent our officers. We serve and aid you in your requirement to fufuill the missions.
CPL/SPC(P)-CSMA.... it is the only thing we work to do other than care "for Jane and Joe."
We work it on the authority of the Company, Bn, BDE NCO that places us in charge of training that day.
It is thier responsability to achieve what the officerers briefed them on and requested they accomplish them to do for thier Quartily and anual NOCER.
If you don't your leaders failed you. Possibly your chain of command.
As an Aviator, As an engineer I am finding this thread very insultuing. I think we have had high standards for our soldiers.
I hope anyone on enlisted duty sees and read this.
This is a good thinking lesson for E6 and bellow.
Squad leaders and assiant squad leaders keep Joe/Jane informed.
I have been through wars, promotion boards, woundering if I would live throught the rest of the day, let alone the week or the month.
You should know the Officers and NCOs in front of you.
If you don't your leaders failed you. Possibly your chain of command.
All NCOs have the rank of Senior NCOs and Officers.
Why does it matter????
Did the military fall upside down this year?
Why does anyone care about Physical Fitnessness instructers rank for the person leading it. Ok it might be imporat in conversation. My solders would have known a month in advance normally.
Ususally THAT NCO IS working very hard to do best to lead the way by example in front of all of so many watching that "Might" punk out for days.
The rank is the highest in the unit doing PT at that time. And if you doubt me, go up and tell them NO.
The Officer or NCO that smacks you right down... Lowest rank in the authority of the one giving PT at that moment.
Late to formation for division run.
The person that told me has the rank of the 82nd fort bragg base commander.
None cares about a PT shirt (stars/sash/belt).
Who takes that into combat? Burrial detail, Unit formal?
Audy Murphy is rolling in his grave...
Did everyone forget Bnoc and Anoc.
Baron von Steuben...
The only thing that matters......
NCOs have the rank of the officer or NCO that set them to a task.
NCO's accomplish the Officers Oath (Officers I hope you remember, we keep your oath).
This is a stupid stupid conversation.
I really must go back to what is wrong with people asking rank of leader in PT.
Rule 1.
Follow you orders.
Rule 2.
Do the best that you can, see rule 1.
Rule 3.
I don't care. "Just help us follow rule one and two."
Rule 4.
If you follow rules 1-3. Sargent will take care of you as always. We are a team.
Ask Sargenant for help immediatly. Really before it is to late or you mess up rule one or two.... :D
All knows who the leaders unless the COC is failing.
NCO's are in charge of PT. Minute by minute.
We are where the rubber meats the road.
They know our rank and who we are. If not there is a leadership problem.
We lead the men. Officers lead and tain us NCOs and trust us to fill thier mission objectives.
Once I had an officer call me out during Bn PT. "Sir, you need to speak with the Smag. For now do what I asked, please. Sir."
We NCO's represent our officers. We serve and aid you in your requirement to fufuill the missions.
CPL/SPC(P)-CSMA.... it is the only thing we work to do other than care "for Jane and Joe."
We work it on the authority of the Company, Bn, BDE NCO that places us in charge of training that day.
It is thier responsability to achieve what the officerers briefed them on and requested they accomplish them to do for thier Quartily and anual NOCER.
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SGT(P) Jody Hall
STOP Crying... You are in the Army, Step Up.
Good thing you are not at Bragg or in the Marines...
As enlisted. I care less about rank recognition.
Grow a spine... Follow regulatons customs and such!
I would dress down a CPT O-3 it they were breating me. Scary. It could and was insorbunidation at times. UCMJ. Good friend. (Frack in aviation crew chief days , a Major or LTC if they were bad behaved).
I am Airborne, and Sapper leader, crew chief, engineer...
Point is... Do your job. Follow regulations. Follow honest orders.
Esprit de Corps: The winning Spirit within the Army
When I came to Fort Brag in 1987 as a "LEG" (NAP Non Airborne Personell) Jump Quilifed 1 month later... LOL.
With Aviation wings... I ate some crow. A LOT OF IT! As long as it was fair, fuin and Esprit de Corps: The winning Spirit within the Army.
I told all those disrectful offivers and SFC+ NCOs, to call my 1sg or Smag.
There is no place for that shit in our military.
Now about buying a belt or something...
That is not new. Ask your NCO for help.
I missed it...
Looks like DA made a change...
Everyone is going through the change.
My daily brief... 82nd Avn... 1/17th air Cav, 20th/37th Eng....
"You little fucking rat bastards...."
"How much do I love you....."
Sargeant we are your life and family....
"Liars, but thanks..."
"I need some help. We will take care of one another like always...I have bad news...
DA is "fracking us again.""
"Everyone is going to just do it. Our squad needs to figure out how to make sure we are 100% and not 60%."
"Kaminiski and Foot, we are going to pass the hat. They can't afford it"
I will make it up, car repairs, Salmon, extra day off...
You are my men and my friends. We help one another.
I will take it in the short. We are a family...
Anyone that does... I promise that squad memember I will give you 3 day weekend.
PLt daddy will either kill me or support me.
15th... Payday.
I will buy yours now.
Anyone going to pay me back or am I fucked?
You know I will pay for all of ours...
It's fine to say no later...
Good thing you are not at Bragg or in the Marines...
As enlisted. I care less about rank recognition.
Grow a spine... Follow regulatons customs and such!
I would dress down a CPT O-3 it they were breating me. Scary. It could and was insorbunidation at times. UCMJ. Good friend. (Frack in aviation crew chief days , a Major or LTC if they were bad behaved).
I am Airborne, and Sapper leader, crew chief, engineer...
Point is... Do your job. Follow regulations. Follow honest orders.
Esprit de Corps: The winning Spirit within the Army
When I came to Fort Brag in 1987 as a "LEG" (NAP Non Airborne Personell) Jump Quilifed 1 month later... LOL.
With Aviation wings... I ate some crow. A LOT OF IT! As long as it was fair, fuin and Esprit de Corps: The winning Spirit within the Army.
I told all those disrectful offivers and SFC+ NCOs, to call my 1sg or Smag.
There is no place for that shit in our military.
Now about buying a belt or something...
That is not new. Ask your NCO for help.
I missed it...
Looks like DA made a change...
Everyone is going through the change.
My daily brief... 82nd Avn... 1/17th air Cav, 20th/37th Eng....
"You little fucking rat bastards...."
"How much do I love you....."
Sargeant we are your life and family....
"Liars, but thanks..."
"I need some help. We will take care of one another like always...I have bad news...
DA is "fracking us again.""
"Everyone is going to just do it. Our squad needs to figure out how to make sure we are 100% and not 60%."
"Kaminiski and Foot, we are going to pass the hat. They can't afford it"
I will make it up, car repairs, Salmon, extra day off...
You are my men and my friends. We help one another.
I will take it in the short. We are a family...
Anyone that does... I promise that squad memember I will give you 3 day weekend.
PLt daddy will either kill me or support me.
15th... Payday.
I will buy yours now.
Anyone going to pay me back or am I fucked?
You know I will pay for all of ours...
It's fine to say no later...
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The Emperor - 'Let the hate flow through you'
Encouragements à Luke Skywalker
One PT belt for junior enlisted. Two PT belts for NCO's. 3 PT belts for Warrant Officers. 4 PT belts for Company Grade Officers. 5 PT belts for Senior Oficers. 6 PT belts for GO's.
The more you vote me down, the stronger I will become. "Let the hate flow through you." (LOL)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Avn2nT16FA
The more you vote me down, the stronger I will become. "Let the hate flow through you." (LOL)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Avn2nT16FA
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What if a PT belt for each paygrade like E-1 wears 1, E-8 wears 8. And for warrant and officers it keeps going up. So W01 wears 10 and an o-1 wears 15 belts. So an O-10 wears 24 PT belts. Safety first right?
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SGT(P) Jody Hall
Ya, I know, leaders are on the older side...
Wrap them in everything so they can't possibly run. Call it a day off.
Can we wrap leaders in Christmas colors just in case...
Never can tell... Might save a leaders life.
Leaders shoulder to waste.
Joe/Jane horizontal around the waste line.
Oh my gosh so simple a cave man can figure out who the leaders are.
Yikes since the 1990 or even earlire. LOL Airborne. CIF reflective belts.
Road guards can have that crazy vest thing.
Not like anyone would drive there on a Base/DIV run , but...
Other situations LOL.
Wrap them in everything so they can't possibly run. Call it a day off.
Can we wrap leaders in Christmas colors just in case...
Never can tell... Might save a leaders life.
Leaders shoulder to waste.
Joe/Jane horizontal around the waste line.
Oh my gosh so simple a cave man can figure out who the leaders are.
Yikes since the 1990 or even earlire. LOL Airborne. CIF reflective belts.
Road guards can have that crazy vest thing.
Not like anyone would drive there on a Base/DIV run , but...
Other situations LOL.
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What does Sexual Harassment Response and Prevention have to do with rank? But besides that..
May I ask.. what issue are you trying to solve by having a special visible designator (besides the very easy one of the leader leading) announce rank?
Keep in mind, it's not the Senior ranking person most are going to want to talk with in a group formation, but the LEADER.
Leaders are the ones leading PT, and or the ones that come sheepishly out of formation (or not found at all sometimes) when you ask the group who is in charge,,, it really is very simple.
"Goodmorning Soldiers.... my name is SGM Marquez... are YOU in charge of this formation?"
1/2 sec later if I guessed wrong at who was leading the formation, all eyes turned to the guilty party and they run (walk, slink) over.
No special designation needed..
This has worked surprisingly well for real leaders 1LT to 2 star, SGT to CSM.. I've seen it in action many times as well as done so myself.
Now that pretend leader that really does not want to be a leader, just a loudmouth.. yes, they prefer to zero in in sneak attack on to a person they out rank and just berate them... leading, training, modifying bad behaviour is not their intent.. Just being an ass. And I really care not to cater to them.
May I ask.. what issue are you trying to solve by having a special visible designator (besides the very easy one of the leader leading) announce rank?
Keep in mind, it's not the Senior ranking person most are going to want to talk with in a group formation, but the LEADER.
Leaders are the ones leading PT, and or the ones that come sheepishly out of formation (or not found at all sometimes) when you ask the group who is in charge,,, it really is very simple.
"Goodmorning Soldiers.... my name is SGM Marquez... are YOU in charge of this formation?"
1/2 sec later if I guessed wrong at who was leading the formation, all eyes turned to the guilty party and they run (walk, slink) over.
No special designation needed..
This has worked surprisingly well for real leaders 1LT to 2 star, SGT to CSM.. I've seen it in action many times as well as done so myself.
Now that pretend leader that really does not want to be a leader, just a loudmouth.. yes, they prefer to zero in in sneak attack on to a person they out rank and just berate them... leading, training, modifying bad behaviour is not their intent.. Just being an ass. And I really care not to cater to them.
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SGM Erik Marquez
SGT(P) Daniel McBride
Asked another way that is perhaps more clear...
How does wearing a colored or belt signifying officer or NCO or "leader" mitigate a fraudulent sexual harassment allegation such as the one you witnessed?
I do not doubt you have something in mind as you suggested this I just am not following the train or thought or reasoning for your suggestion.
Help me (us) understand specifically what the allegation was, and how knowing the "victim" was a specific rank would have avoided the false report.
Thanks
Asked another way that is perhaps more clear...
How does wearing a colored or belt signifying officer or NCO or "leader" mitigate a fraudulent sexual harassment allegation such as the one you witnessed?
I do not doubt you have something in mind as you suggested this I just am not following the train or thought or reasoning for your suggestion.
Help me (us) understand specifically what the allegation was, and how knowing the "victim" was a specific rank would have avoided the false report.
Thanks
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SGM, maybe he meant that when the SM's rank is on her belt, as opposed to having a different colored belt, he has to stare for a longer period in order to determine her rank. Whereas, if she wears a different colored belt altogether, he knows immediately how to greet or salute her.
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SGM Erik Marquez
SGT (Join to see) I suppose anything is possible, thats why I asked.
4 points.
According to SGT Daniel McBride, the complaint was unfounded.. as such that supports the position there was no issue, and therefore there is nothing to fix..
If it is unit policy to wear the rank on a PT belt..male & female, than EVERY SM should well expect someone to look at the rank on the PT belt.... doing so should not constitute a SHARP violation..
There are only a few PT belt colors options.... so a color is not going to ID rank.... perhaps Officer/NCO/lower enlisted but not rank.... so the solution offered does not support the issue described, if such an issue existed at all.
The Rank on an ACU coat is in a like location, if one was predisposed to take offence at a glance at that location to ascertain rank, one could take such offence. No different than where the rank on a PT belt seems to end up.....its not an issue on the ACU coat...its not an issue on the PT belt.
Can men (and women) stair inappropriately at a female SM breasts .while pretending to look at the rank? Apparently so by the number of sustained SHARP complaints I'm aware of. It's unprofessional, most times unrequested (yes I said it,, I have been witness to instances where a female SM was just fine accentuating her breasts for the viewing and attraction of some males, but took offence when others she was uninterested in noticed the same site presented on purpose by her)
4 points.
According to SGT Daniel McBride, the complaint was unfounded.. as such that supports the position there was no issue, and therefore there is nothing to fix..
If it is unit policy to wear the rank on a PT belt..male & female, than EVERY SM should well expect someone to look at the rank on the PT belt.... doing so should not constitute a SHARP violation..
There are only a few PT belt colors options.... so a color is not going to ID rank.... perhaps Officer/NCO/lower enlisted but not rank.... so the solution offered does not support the issue described, if such an issue existed at all.
The Rank on an ACU coat is in a like location, if one was predisposed to take offence at a glance at that location to ascertain rank, one could take such offence. No different than where the rank on a PT belt seems to end up.....its not an issue on the ACU coat...its not an issue on the PT belt.
Can men (and women) stair inappropriately at a female SM breasts .while pretending to look at the rank? Apparently so by the number of sustained SHARP complaints I'm aware of. It's unprofessional, most times unrequested (yes I said it,, I have been witness to instances where a female SM was just fine accentuating her breasts for the viewing and attraction of some males, but took offence when others she was uninterested in noticed the same site presented on purpose by her)
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SGT(P) Jody Hall
Did somehow all of a suddon everyone forget the COC.
Military customs. Did The new office of the president make us not fighters anymore.
I am discourages about all this PT talk, uniform talk.
This is so crazy. These things are known at a glance or a word, sometimes a whisper.
"Goodmorning Soldiers.... my name is SGM Marquez... are YOU in charge of this formation?"
A Smag... I never want to have them say my name in public unless I am getting an award or NCO reduction board.
The Smag. Hugly important. They never ask for anything, ever.
They instruct officers and NCOs alike.
We all say Yes Sargent Major. With the exceptions of Command officers.
Company/Bn/Squadrin Command officers.
17 years in the Army. Happy I never saw that formation......
I would be ashamed... That would mean as a NCO I could not tell them. You would have to task them first.
They are not in charge. I AM TEACHING AND LEADING. I have a lesson plan. I have a training plan handed down by the COC with objectives.
I made a promise to my 1sg, my Smag. I told them they need not be here. I can do this so they don't have too. This would be a horrible embarrasment.
"Goodmorning Soldiers.... my name is SGM Marquez... are YOU in charge of this formation?"
I could ask an EM/SM to help, call someone up to make it fun. I salute, then take it back after. Repeat as necessary to get good PT training done.
Talking about scared twinkies as a Junior NCO. But... I knew he could do it correctly.
I brought a PFC up to lead PT for an excersise during BN PT. Got an ass chewing after by my 1sg... Thought I could Kiss E6 board good by for the next year... Guess what...
He was the next soldier of the month for the co and Bn after that.
JOE/Jane is not in charge.
Otherwise no officers, no NCOs... Let loose the dogs of war....
Watch all of the war crimes and desertion.
What is wrong with this.
Follow your last given Lafwul order. If the leader did anything wrong, god help that stupid officer or NCO.
I never had that EVER!!! 17 years.
I was out there in the grass, I was out there on the plywood.
I said "Fall in"
Co or Bn we had military dicipline we knew what to do and who to follow for that pireoid of instruction.
A CPL could have done that...
Any rank would have followed that CPL during PT. Officers included.
(Of course they were in the back with thier commander unless a LT.)
They knew that Sgt/Ssg was incharge.
After that moment they followed everything I said. Company LV or Bn Lv.
Military customs. Did The new office of the president make us not fighters anymore.
I am discourages about all this PT talk, uniform talk.
This is so crazy. These things are known at a glance or a word, sometimes a whisper.
"Goodmorning Soldiers.... my name is SGM Marquez... are YOU in charge of this formation?"
A Smag... I never want to have them say my name in public unless I am getting an award or NCO reduction board.
The Smag. Hugly important. They never ask for anything, ever.
They instruct officers and NCOs alike.
We all say Yes Sargent Major. With the exceptions of Command officers.
Company/Bn/Squadrin Command officers.
17 years in the Army. Happy I never saw that formation......
I would be ashamed... That would mean as a NCO I could not tell them. You would have to task them first.
They are not in charge. I AM TEACHING AND LEADING. I have a lesson plan. I have a training plan handed down by the COC with objectives.
I made a promise to my 1sg, my Smag. I told them they need not be here. I can do this so they don't have too. This would be a horrible embarrasment.
"Goodmorning Soldiers.... my name is SGM Marquez... are YOU in charge of this formation?"
I could ask an EM/SM to help, call someone up to make it fun. I salute, then take it back after. Repeat as necessary to get good PT training done.
Talking about scared twinkies as a Junior NCO. But... I knew he could do it correctly.
I brought a PFC up to lead PT for an excersise during BN PT. Got an ass chewing after by my 1sg... Thought I could Kiss E6 board good by for the next year... Guess what...
He was the next soldier of the month for the co and Bn after that.
JOE/Jane is not in charge.
Otherwise no officers, no NCOs... Let loose the dogs of war....
Watch all of the war crimes and desertion.
What is wrong with this.
Follow your last given Lafwul order. If the leader did anything wrong, god help that stupid officer or NCO.
I never had that EVER!!! 17 years.
I was out there in the grass, I was out there on the plywood.
I said "Fall in"
Co or Bn we had military dicipline we knew what to do and who to follow for that pireoid of instruction.
A CPL could have done that...
Any rank would have followed that CPL during PT. Officers included.
(Of course they were in the back with thier commander unless a LT.)
They knew that Sgt/Ssg was incharge.
After that moment they followed everything I said. Company LV or Bn Lv.
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My understanding of PT was everyone is reduced to an equal point so everyone takes commands from whomever is leading PT. If 1SG is doing his push-ups wrong, and PV2 Sandwich is leading, he is to correct the problem without fear that the person he is speaking to outranks him. So far I've seen in the two units I've been to, many E-4 and below leading PT and making corrections without hesitation and no one getting upset because their proper title wasn't used.
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SPC Christopher Smith
MAJ Carl Ballinger I understand where you are coming from but honestly before the PT belt and the grand idea of spending more money by getting rank put on an article of clothing there was a way to do PT in the morning with no real issues.
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I have two thoughts:
1) Soldiers should know who the "important" folks are whether in a PT uniform or not. I remember as a young Private being drilled on chain of command with photos...is this no longer a thing?
2) Some NCOs and Officers need to get over themselves for a few hours a day. If they are doing what they are supposed to be doing (PT), they aren't worried about who is addressing them or greeting them any way. If the need arises for an on the spot correction, the senior person should introduce themselves so the junior person knows the appropriate manner in which they should be conducting themselves.
1) Soldiers should know who the "important" folks are whether in a PT uniform or not. I remember as a young Private being drilled on chain of command with photos...is this no longer a thing?
2) Some NCOs and Officers need to get over themselves for a few hours a day. If they are doing what they are supposed to be doing (PT), they aren't worried about who is addressing them or greeting them any way. If the need arises for an on the spot correction, the senior person should introduce themselves so the junior person knows the appropriate manner in which they should be conducting themselves.
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Where is the other option? Why do it at all? Should Soliders know who the Sr Leaders in their own unit are without having to need to look at a color belt or a tiny rank square?
What did the Soldiers do for decades before people started doing this silliness? That is right...KNOW your troops and know your leaders.
As for the reflective part, isn't the lettering on the shirts reflective anyway?
What did the Soldiers do for decades before people started doing this silliness? That is right...KNOW your troops and know your leaders.
As for the reflective part, isn't the lettering on the shirts reflective anyway?
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SGT(P) Daniel McBride
And honestly yes. Over the past few years I've seen too many throw rank even when corrected for a good reason and tactfully
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
SGT(P) Daniel McBride, sounds like that NCO/Officer's boss needs to have some counseling with that individual. We recently had two folks try to use their rank to get out of things on the base. It resulted in a Letter of Reprimand in their Officer's Record.
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COL Vincent Stoneking
And no, on the new PT uniform, the lettering (and everything else) is NOT reflective. It was in the prototype, but they removed it to save a buck-o-five (not sure the real amount but it was trivial) and because you could always just wear a PT belt anyway......
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
COL Vincent Stoneking, that would seem like a silly cost saving measure. I did read the new PT uniform would cost $3 less, that must be the "savings".
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Don't see why either matter other than to call out those that fall out. If you don't know what you supervisor, Commander or First Sgt look like then I believe there are much bigger issues than a belt.
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