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Certainly, each service is a little different and some particular customs and courtesies vary, but there are several which span all services.
Briefly, a situation from earlier today, I observed from a distance a soldier who I know to be a corporal walk passed a fellow LT coworker of mine without rendering a salute. The LT did not stop and correct the missed salute and they simply passed one another on the sidewalk. I caught up to the LT later and asked him why he did not act on the situation and we had a discussion.
If you were the officer, how would you have addressed this? Quick and to the point? Do you have any usual reactions or responses? Would you have corrected the corporal or just let it be? Please discuss.
Briefly, a situation from earlier today, I observed from a distance a soldier who I know to be a corporal walk passed a fellow LT coworker of mine without rendering a salute. The LT did not stop and correct the missed salute and they simply passed one another on the sidewalk. I caught up to the LT later and asked him why he did not act on the situation and we had a discussion.
If you were the officer, how would you have addressed this? Quick and to the point? Do you have any usual reactions or responses? Would you have corrected the corporal or just let it be? Please discuss.
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It happens, occasionally. Soldiers walk past, you are lost in your thoughts. In half a second you realize that your brain has recognized the double bars of a Captain! Oh no...absolutely disrespectful! Should I keep on walking and hope he or she didn't catch my name tape or run back and snap to salute?! *ahhhh!*
For instance, Capt (Join to see), the action that I would execute, would be to recognize my missed salute, and promptly, call over my shoulder, " I'm sorry, Sir. Good morning (or evening)!" I would absolutely stop and turn around. If you were to continue walking along, you would have heard me. If not, and you are expecting to correct me on-the-spot, I would already be facing you, and will render a salute anyway.
I've seen too many soldiers who put on their uniform and act like they are putting on a t-shirt and cargo shorts, like they forget where they are. Military courtesy should never be a chore, but should be a concept that a soldier should embrace, on the basis of what it means to be a service-member. A soldier who feels angry or resentful (or too lazy) to render a simple,basic military courtesy to their officers, perhaps should get out of the service when their time is up. And really, good riddance.
For instance, Capt (Join to see), the action that I would execute, would be to recognize my missed salute, and promptly, call over my shoulder, " I'm sorry, Sir. Good morning (or evening)!" I would absolutely stop and turn around. If you were to continue walking along, you would have heard me. If not, and you are expecting to correct me on-the-spot, I would already be facing you, and will render a salute anyway.
I've seen too many soldiers who put on their uniform and act like they are putting on a t-shirt and cargo shorts, like they forget where they are. Military courtesy should never be a chore, but should be a concept that a soldier should embrace, on the basis of what it means to be a service-member. A soldier who feels angry or resentful (or too lazy) to render a simple,basic military courtesy to their officers, perhaps should get out of the service when their time is up. And really, good riddance.
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SGT (Join to see)
LTC Mark Gavula , I apologize for having overlooked a rich source of expertise on military customs and courtesies. Perhaps you could enlighten me? Perhaps I am missing something crucial in between recognizing a missed salute and attempting to rectify it? not with me. Sir, you came out of absolutely nowhere and down-voted an answer with no explanation of the answer's flaws or missing parts.If you are trying to educate a subordinate soldier, you have the perfect opportunity to do so.
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Poor CPL probably read "that thread" and is now confused as to who he has to salute, even if he has to salute.
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CPT (Join to see)
I came here looking for a reference. I knew it would be linked to this at some point.
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I only walk on post when my CSM can come with me. I can't react fast enough if someone misses a salute.
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Doesn't matter why. Sometimes people just aren't paying attention, but I will stop them and ask them if there's something wrong with their right arm and if they've seen the PA about it. Feign concern over their obvious medical condition which keeps them from providing the proper military courtessies and then tell them they should really have that looked at as it may end up hindering their career in the future. Usually wakes them up.
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So my question to that is: what about in vehicles? Since decals went away, are enlisted exempt from saluting 06 and below unless they see stars on the front mount??
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LTC Paul Labrador
If there is no indication of rank on the vehicle, then no, a salute is not warranted. If it is an official vehicle with a rank placard then yes, a salute is warranted.
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LTC Paul Labrador
On Yongsan, we had USFK commanders, his J level staff and the 8th Army commander. Not to mention all of the Korean GOs. There was a veritable constellation running around post. I remember salulting vehicles all the dang time there.
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Lt Col (Join to see)
Were enlisted soldiers ever supposed to salute every officer's car? Seems excessive to me.
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I've seen Sailors miss a salute periodically. Typically, the officer doesn't correct him, though he usually looks disgruntled by the time I'm close enough to salute. About a week ago I saw it happen, and I then caught up with the other Sailor; he said he was just distracted, and he was embarrassed for missing the salute, but he thanked me for telling him. This is usually how it happens if I see it happen and no one else is around.
Mostly, I see corrections being made by petty officers and Chiefs; these interactions range anywhere from a brief, "Hey, pay better attention, shipmate," to a full-blown chewing-out. The embarrassment level usually goes up when there are more chevrons or anchors involved...or anchors with stars on them.
Mostly, I see corrections being made by petty officers and Chiefs; these interactions range anywhere from a brief, "Hey, pay better attention, shipmate," to a full-blown chewing-out. The embarrassment level usually goes up when there are more chevrons or anchors involved...or anchors with stars on them.
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It bugs me to no end to see things like that happening. It also bugs me to see ROTC cadets doing the same thing, or walking around with their shirts not tucked in, or walking around uncovered outside.
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I've ran into this a couple times. If I realize the individual isn't going to render the salute, I simply offer them the greeting of the day and give them the chance to correct the situation. If they still don't salute, I stop them and talk to them about customs and courtesies as well as the importance of maintaining their situational awareness. I make sure to never come across in a way that sounds like a lecture. I see it as an opportunity to mentor. I remind them that there could always be someone junior in rank to them that could see them and accept their example, and that applies to everything they do throughout the day, not just a salute.
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I guess it depends on the situation. A momentary lapse of situational awareness is not the same as a blatant disregard for customs and courtesies. I would generally say hello to someone who was passing me by without rendering the proper customs and courtesies...usually that was enough to get a salute. There were always those outliers who needed more than a gentle reminder, though.
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Was the Corporal stopped and asked why they didn't salute? That's where I would have started on addressing the issue. If he did not have a valid reason to not salute, then that CPL would have been running to catch up to that Officer and fix the issue.
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