Posted on Jul 20, 2014
How to help a Soldier when the NCO support channel fails him or her?
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I know a soldier who's NCO support channel (I.e team leader, platoon sergeant and first sergeant) will not send him to the promotion board. When he first joined the unit they said they would. This soldier has not be counseled on why he has not been sent to the board. His old unit didn't send him either. I know this soldier very well. He has been deployed 3 times and knows how to soldier and take care of soldiers along with leading them into battle. Can anyone please assist me with finding better ways to go about it and to help this soldier progress in his career.
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I went through something like this twice. The first time I had to go to my SGM. He called my NCO in and asked for one good reason why I should not go to the board. Failing to explain why I was "not ready" to be an NCO with anything more than "i just know" , I went to the board . He ended up getting kicked out of my board for being disrespectful. Then I lost my "P" status on a technicality. I was deployed and 12 months without a PT test did me in. The second time was because my leadership kept changing and they ALL wanted the 90day evaluation period. It seemed just as one would say yes we would get a new one. I explained my situation to the 1SG. He pulled my counseling packet and I went to the board.
You just have to be persistent while being respectful. I advocate for using the chain of command as long as you don't go in being insulting and putting down the leader that is failing you. It will only make you look bad. I advise taking your counseling packet with you just in case they ask to see it. Be prepared for backlash if your leaders truly are wrong. We all know it is not allowed but no one likes to be told on. The soldier also needs to be squared away. If you go in with minimum PT scores, "you done good" counseling's, and very little evidence of the soldiers effort to advance themselves chances are you will not get the best result.
You just have to be persistent while being respectful. I advocate for using the chain of command as long as you don't go in being insulting and putting down the leader that is failing you. It will only make you look bad. I advise taking your counseling packet with you just in case they ask to see it. Be prepared for backlash if your leaders truly are wrong. We all know it is not allowed but no one likes to be told on. The soldier also needs to be squared away. If you go in with minimum PT scores, "you done good" counseling's, and very little evidence of the soldiers effort to advance themselves chances are you will not get the best result.
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This can lead to a slippery slope... I would recommend standing back for a second and look at the larger picture. Is there something they might have done or do that might make them "not ready" that you're not seeing because you know the Soldier? Have you asked others in their platoon why the Soldier hasn't been to the board? Is there a technical reason such as not in zone, not enough time in grade or service, maybe flagged? Apft? Soldier not telling the truth about the counsellings? Etc...
From what I've seen in the past, the best results came from talking to the CSM or IG. Because the CSM might not be seeing each and every counselling for non-recommendation and isn't aware that it's not being done. The IG should contact the CSM and inform them of the same. Both do the same, one just uses a 3rd party.
Be cautious when appealing to a CSM and prepare on being asked about the relationship with the Soldier and how you came upon the information, essentially you are saying the squad leader, platoon sergeant, first sergeant, and/or even the CSM for not doing their job....
Do keep this in mind, article 92 does protect individuals against repricusion and retaliation. Most division and below have been implementing this through policy letters.
Hope this helps, be cautious and good luck!
From what I've seen in the past, the best results came from talking to the CSM or IG. Because the CSM might not be seeing each and every counselling for non-recommendation and isn't aware that it's not being done. The IG should contact the CSM and inform them of the same. Both do the same, one just uses a 3rd party.
Be cautious when appealing to a CSM and prepare on being asked about the relationship with the Soldier and how you came upon the information, essentially you are saying the squad leader, platoon sergeant, first sergeant, and/or even the CSM for not doing their job....
Do keep this in mind, article 92 does protect individuals against repricusion and retaliation. Most division and below have been implementing this through policy letters.
Hope this helps, be cautious and good luck!
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SFC (Join to see) I'm going to suggest this only as a side note. Be aware that you're setting yourself up for retribution by this soldier's entire chain of command to include the CSM and unit C.O. Be aware of this, prepare for this. You are not just challenging his platoon leadership, but you're challenging the entire chain of command. You will be subjected to some sort of retribution - trust me. No matter what the chain of command states re: no retribution - you cannot challenge the chain of command without retribution. No CSM can control the people below them that well - someone will strike back in some sideways manner.
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Sgt....you're aware and you know the price. That fact alone puts you ahead of the CSM and everyone below. Few senior SM's put their careers on the line for one individual like you may have to. You've passed the real test of leadership already.....
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Thank you. I will risk what I worked hard for to help a soldier. that is my job as a NCO
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SPC (Join to see)
This Army belong to all of us. If shit goes down,we will bleed the same. So why held someone carrier without a valid reason. Not only it is unfair, this is disgusting. If a leadership refuse to recommend a squared away soldier for promotion or career progression, they will need a valid reason in a counseling and a plan of action to help the soldier to succeed.
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i have been in simular situation were i specificaly ask them why i am not being sent to the board and they did not have an answer. The only response i had was a vague "you are not ready" . So after a year of being in leadership position with no negative counseling. Excellent work ethic they would not tell me why . Mean while they were sending people with zero leadership experience, No points. They will sent people who refuse to go to school.They send someone to the board well over a ago who still have not made point.
My point being is that many NCO are not doing the right thing when it comes to promote and support the right soldiers.
Fast forward i have pcs to a new unit and i have shown my potentials and everything work out great
My point being is that many NCO are not doing the right thing when it comes to promote and support the right soldiers.
Fast forward i have pcs to a new unit and i have shown my potentials and everything work out great
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