Posted on Jun 5, 2023
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I was doing field rotation that had open showers and had a thought about Transgender personell and how the be treated by other personell. I talked to a female an she said she upset if transwomen in her shower if they still had there male genitals. I asked a male the same thing and he said he wouldn't care. He said "If they identify as a man I will treat them like a man". How would you personally feel about this.

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SP5 George Butts
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Well, generally, about the "Cultural" transition taking place in the military, my granddaughter got pregnant in basic training. I don't remember anyone getting pregnant when I was in basic training during the Vietnam era. Not sure how getting pregnant helps the mission readiness obligation.
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SGT Robert Urbaniak
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Men are from Mars, and women are from Venus, all other are from Uranus.
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SGT Ruben Lozada
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Good afternoon SSG(P) (Join to see). Excellent post. Thank you for sharingthis Brother James.
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LCDR Aerospace Engineering Duty, Maintenance (AMDO and AMO)
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Basically, they'll push it until women file sexual harassment suits for forcing them to shower with men.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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NAW ~ I Don't Think I Could Do It,
I'd Have To Strip Down, Go Outside, Grab A Garden Hose,
And Let'er Rip.
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SGT Juan Robledo
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Awkward question that I truly don't know how to answer
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CW5 William Gasaway
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I was at Fort Benning (Yes I know there was a name change) doing the expert Field Medical Badge in the middle of summer. After a week in the field with no showers, we had a rain storm after the duty day. I was out in the rain, nude taking a shower then back n the tent drying off before I realized the two females near me in the tent were still out in the rain, naked. My response was F*%& it and I just kept getting dressed. The truth is after a few field trips with no amenities, no one really cares about that. Although if you see someone giving someone grief about something like that you need to offer to kick their rear. I was in Kosovo and Iraq with females covering my ass and I would have been extremely upset if anyone harassed them. They had my ass when bullets were flying and I felt and still do) it was my duty to cover them if someone was bothering them. In Iraq sexually haassing a teammate would have gotten yu fragged.
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MSgt George Murray
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There are two and only two sexes - Male and Female - Period
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SGT Signals Intelligence Analyst
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To be blunt
There are a lot of answers but no solutions.
The correct answer, and what you will see, for all of the Officers and SGMs is that the Army will treat the individual as their DEERS identify gender. To treat them with dignity and respect and that a transgender vs cisgender are equally as important.
However, all of this means nothing because it never answers the question you asked. What is the solution to real life situations that happen.
In the past the Women had to make accommodations for themselves while deployed as the Army did not have the solution, logistically, while deployed. In many situations the Army is still not equipped for men and women to deploy together unless on an established base.
With that said, a man and a woman have NEVER been approved to shower together. As a Christian, I can't see how showering with someone who is biologically a female is appropriate.
I also know this would be true with most religions we find in the military.

In short, I believe most of us relate too the two individuals in your statement. We would treat the transgender service member respectfully but we would be uncomfortable.
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SSG Dave Johnston
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Long, long time ago, while awaiting Ralphie to shoot his eye out... Yes that far back, it was either Germany, or Ft. Carson, and the "other A&P"{Adult} magazines weren't allowed for "study" down range. I was perusing an article in either JAMA, Lancet, NEJM, Psychology Today; anyhow This is in the 1980's now: I read that the "homosexual community" had a distrust of the following "groups" for these reasons:
1: Bi-Sexuals = The inability to decide if they were Straight of Homosexual... lack of commitment to one lifestyle or the other.
2: Gender dysphoria/Trans: Liars... "Cogito; ergo sum" does not apply to biology; no, it doesn't:
"I was born as an ???, but I think I am a ???.... but I'm not gay/lesbian".... [REALY]
This was published in the 1980's, and was reflected in AR 40-501, Chap 2 up until the current administration... It's no there anymore, you'll have o find a hard copy printed prior to...

The pressures the radical "alphabet" community is putting on the heterosexual norms that have existed for millennia is yet to be realized, but they will continue to deny that they are responsible for the destruction of Judeo-Christian morays. Coming to terms with "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" was one thing, easily delt with, ignore... Acceptance of Trans individuals as "norms" will be,,, {We live in interesting times}... I hate that curse.
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Based on my most recent experience in Army BCT 2020, showers are private stalls now at Fort Jackson with pull curtains. The toilet stalls are now closed with doors on them as well. Trainees are not allowed in underwear inside sleeping areas and must be clothed. You not allowed to have your shirt off at all, nor underwear only. After 2000hrs no Non-trainees are allowed in the bed areas or in the barracks with trainees. There must be a minimum of two NCOs to enter these areas after certain times to include Drill Sergeants. The exit areas are alarmed for exit doors and some video in non-private areas are present. This is because drill sergeants and leaders were having affairs and sex with trainees. Now the trainees have little sexcapades, affairs and also staying up most of the night causing noise and taking sleep from others. This is particularly a problem in the female barracks area, there was several aggressive predatory lesbians' in the female area. After the barracks area was secured for the night and NCOs / DS would leave one female routinely walked around nude, several of the other females complained and basically nothing was done. Two females were constantly pressuring other females for sex and relations. It's a zoo! I was assigned my own apartment above Battalion HQ away from the children and not a participant in this stupidity, because of my rank. Much more...not the Army of even 10 years ago. Bizarro land and no one says anything because if they do your labeled adverse to the modern changes of the Army. You will be disciplined if you openly criticize or protest the insanity. Go along to get along, or commit career suicide. Welcome to the woke Army...

If you're a SNCO in charge you better sing the right song or else!
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SGT Wes King
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This is sooooo sick. What happened to PLT Guides & Squad Leaders for these trainees? Seems to me a squad leader and a Plt guide would solve that problem by reporting first and if no swift resolution/removal of the problem a blanket party (if they still have those). Then adapt and survive have a useful meaning.
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MAJ Montgomery Granger
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Question is still relevant, even almost a year after posting. The answer is "No." No "transgender" in the military or in the showers. The proper name is gender dysphoric. It is a mental condition by which the ill person believes something that is not true. They need professional help, not a co-dependent DoD.
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CPL Larry Frias Jr
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......better ton focus on hand to hand and open field combat......all that shower stuff comes later....
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Capt Robert Vincelette
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We need to outgrow superstitions against being seen nude. Segregated nudity such as in showers and lavatories contributes nothing to respect for sexual boundaries. This is observed in clothes-optional communities by people who have studied the problem of sexual harassment and sexual assault. This will simplify the problem by eliminating it.
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Amn Dale Preisach
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It depends if the transwoman gets hard when they see nude women in the shower.
If they do, i'd doubt the transwoman's claim.
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CSM Darieus ZaGara
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For me asked and answered. There was never a taste for mixing genders, how do we leap to whatever is a gender. I read people's opinions frequently, and most are different in person. Bottom line is that people in transition are in limbo, accommodations must be made as the policy has changed.

Therefore it is asked and answered. The real question is which shower do each one use? That needs to be determined at the top, and respected. As always in the military we have only to follow there orders, and regulations that guide us. Soldier up!
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SGT Wes King
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People that are in transition should not even be considered as qualified for the military then there is no problem with gender.
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SGT Jeff Everhart
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I don't see many trans, or anyone today banging the doors down to serve in the military today. We have the smallest military since the beginning of World War II.
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