Posted on Jul 15, 2015
COL Charles Williams
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I know I have posted about this earlier... when it first hit the headlines, and I know CW2 Lindsey Muller is trending on what our thoughts are. And others like TSgt Hunter Logan too.

This not about whether this is good idea, or going to happen (I believe this going to happen), this is more about the mechanics of this. In particular area, what does the military do, when they lift the ban, with a transgender woman (still a biological male) serving in one of the 200k or so jobs still closed to women?

What do you think will happen?

I am confused as how we did already consider what will do, when we lift this ban. I am hoping we have thought this thru, especially in light of the 2013-16 pentagon study on the integration women into direct combat jobs.


http://www.stripes.com/transgender-decision-raises-question-of-combat-jobs-1.357902
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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COL Charles Williams I believe that the service branches will get through this issue and the concerns that have been raised on a number of different subjects (housing, Physical Fitness, MOS that women can and can't be in, medication and prescriptions necessary, the whole area of medical treatment and physicals, psychological training for professional within the medical field; disorder, razing, and discrimination complaints against transgender and the handling of these complaints, chaplain duties and responsibilities, and even right down to mandatory urinalysis (Drug Testing) Programs; and the list may go on. All of these areas and more will go through detailed scrutiny over the next 6 months and most of it will be flushed out before any band is lifted and the final regulations and decisions are released. My personal feeling is whatever an individual’s gender, if they can meet the standards of the required specialties or MOS then they should be allowed to serve no matter whether they are in gender transition or they have fully transitioned. If they have already served this country for a good number of years then they should be allowed to finish their careers with peace of mind that they will be treated with respect, no matter what their final gender is or will be. The transgender issue is much deeper than most of us really understand unless you've walked in those shoes, so it is difficult for me to even image what they have gone through their entire life growing up not understanding what was going on with their bodies, minds, and emotions. I will not judge any gender or individual indifferently and I don't think any of our fellow service members should either, especially if they truly don't understand everything about it why it happened, or how it came to transpire.
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SSG Mike Angelo
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Col Mikel Burroghs and Col Charles Williams,

I too envision that our military will get past this issue of transgender. Where as the span of control and ratio between leader and follower is greater...At the squad level, service members, team and squad leaders already know their people and how to influence them to do work or some action that accomplishes the mission. When the span of control is less, say 1:3 leader follower ratio, the growth period of change may vary with this issue. This is probably due to the variances of physical contact time in diverse settings.

Despite the morale and esprit de corps variances within the ranks of military downsizing, folks will adapt to the changing mission. This is a growth period whereas units and individuals will personally and professionally develope, grow, meeting standards, and their code of conduct, respectively. I have served and during growth periods of change and seen first hand post-Vietnam era, through the 80s up to the Clinton era; a long-term growth period.

Those that will not change their behavior with the times will most likely have the opportunity to move to a different line of work. In a career changer and join the rest of our free and open society where this issue of transgender is common knowledge.

It is the hope that good personal and professional leadership will carry this issue of transgender over the hump of change.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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Sir,
First and foremost, we will do what we always do, make a policy and adhere to it. We did it with DADT, then with the revocation of DADT. As American Society changes, so will us, as a reflection of American Society change.

Transgender People make up a Statistically small section of American Society. As such, their impact on the Military will be very small. Just like the impact of women on the Military was small (15% service-wide, even though 50% of population). Just like the impact of Homosexuals was a "Non-issue" to quote one of our Generals.

It is my belief that "we" (the military) are making a proverbial mountain out of a molehill because we do not understand the issue. That is not to say valid concerns are not being raised, and lots of great questions are not being asked, however there are lots of extremely "poor taste" questions being asked as well, that based solely on ignorance. This statement is not being addressed at anyone in particular, however when people (in general) do not understand things, they tend to ask EVERYTHING, to come to grips as quickly as possible. There is just so much bad information out there regarding transgender, it is almost impossible to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Simply put a Transgender person, is someone who does not "identify" as their birth gender. That's it. It does not mean they want to "transition" (become) the other gender (physically). Many people link the two, but that is not necessarily correct.

As for DoD or Military policy, it will really be a matter of accommodation. What accommodation will be made? That is the question.

"If" we acknowledge that Transgender is not "Transitioning" then opening Serving is not an issue. Birth gender is used for all normal standards, whether PT, Health, Uniform, etc.

The complexities arise when "transitioning" (aka Hormone therapy) come into play. That alters "physiology" which is a Medical Issue. We already make Medical Accommodations based on Physical & Health issues. If someone is not able to run, we grant partial PFTs or use a Swim test instead. This would be no different. However, the DoD may just "prohibit" a Service Member from "transitioning" WHILE Serving. This eliminates nearly all of the (valid) issues that many Service Members have presented regarding integration.

As for quarters, and hygiene facilities, my personal take, is that we are stuck in the 1950s, and we need to move away from the "bay" philosophy, and just integrate already. We need to either provide fully individualized facilities across the board, or we need to go completely co-ed. Either will remove "gender bias" (a term which I am not fond of).

In essence, we are making this issue far more complex than we need to. We are assuming things that need not be assumed. We are falling into the same traps we fell into several times before regarding integration (Race, Gender, Sexual Preference), which have proven to be non-issues. Sooner or later, we just need to break the habit, and realize being "militant" about things isn't a 100% job.
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I know this is a touchy subject for a lot of people, but what I believe is that if a woman can hold her own in a combat situation and be able to meet the physical requirements for such a situation, then they should be allowed in. Although, from a genetics stand point, women tend to be weaker than men, I would not let them in. As a firefighter, our job is physically demanding, less than a combat situation, but you are still on the fire ground, pulling of lines, dragging bodies out, staying on that hand line spitting out 150 to 200 psi, etc. Can a woman do it? Yes. Are most women physically capable? No. What everything boils down to is this: Can a woman withstand the intensity, the adversity, the physical/mental/ and emotional portion that a man can, could, or is willing to do? That is the real question I believe.
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