Posted on Jul 16, 2016
How would you accommodate a transgender subordinate in your unit?
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Following RAND's study and the one by the Palm Center previous to that, it's clear that there are thousands of transgender people serving right now.
How should the military accommodate these individuals? Should they be allowed to follow the regs of the gender they identify with? Should facilities be assigned by gender, or the physical sex of the service member?
Constructive responses please.
How should the military accommodate these individuals? Should they be allowed to follow the regs of the gender they identify with? Should facilities be assigned by gender, or the physical sex of the service member?
Constructive responses please.
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Responses: 153
A man is a man and a woman is a woman. Until that changes, i.e. gender reassignment surgery, you are the sex you were born with and your quarters (the barracks), PT standards, and uniform should be based on that. Esprit de Corps, unit cohesion, or whatever you choose to call it derives from doing difficult things together as a unit, as a team. Everyone does their part and no one gets special treatment.
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I purposely left the military not liking what I was witnessing and what I personally experienced. They should all be separated from us normies to achieve battle readiness and lethality. Many of us have strong morals and Christian beliefs. We do not need distractions from that
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Check your religion at the door. We shouldn't have to accommodate your christian beliefs. I don't need to be distracted by your religion.
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There is no guesswork or opinion here. The Army has very specific regulatory guidance regarding transgender Soldiers. Follow it.
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It looks like you're asking if they need to be treated differently than everyone else. Well, no. That is a personal choice the person makes if they want to do their change while under contract. Meaning they should understand what all the issues will come with it. Does this mean we have to change the regs for these people? No. If we did that then anyone who wants to BS could take advantage over the new regs. Could they be given a profile that states their new change? That could work but then they would be responsible to show and explain to everyone in leadership about it.
In my opinion, if you want to be treated differently then you have to earn it. Do beyond what the tasks of you require. Be better at physical training. Be the best at your MOS. Go to college while in duty. The list goes on and all of them require you to put in the elbow grease to earn that respect of your person.
In my opinion, if you want to be treated differently then you have to earn it. Do beyond what the tasks of you require. Be better at physical training. Be the best at your MOS. Go to college while in duty. The list goes on and all of them require you to put in the elbow grease to earn that respect of your person.
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It's a very general question. It's like asking if one would accommodate someone of a different race, religion, or background. We know there are those who are highly motivated & willing to pull their own weight & those demand special treatment b/c of their background. I dealt with similar situations when women took on more roles in the Army. Many were certainly very positive for the job while there was the few who expected the world to serve them. I've been around LGBTQ people most of my life. The issue always comes down to one individual who believes they are too special to follow the rules & do their job. When they get admonished for their behavior, they tend to cry discrimination. If we are going to have transgenders, there needs to be a council that works with the ones who do not comply & hopefully process the non-conformant ones out.
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People are acting as though it is the right of anyone who wants to, to join the Armed Forces. No, no, no. We're like "Dauntless", in the "Insurgent" series...you may choose us, but then we get to choose you. Or not. We choose based on mental aptitude, physical fitness, and adherence to standards, including hair and shaving and GOING IN THE MALE FACILITIES IF YOU HAVE A DICK and vice versa. Maybe you don't have a choice to be a trans-whatever. You DO have a choice whether to join the profession of arms, and the profession DOES have the choice to reject you and cast you out if you don't cut it. End of line, full stop, buh-bye.
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For all those people voting "the physical sex should determine..." my answer os this, you will be (at a minimum) as accomodating as you are ordered to be by the SECDEF and DoD policy, regardless of your opinion.
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There screwed. And will be sent to a transgender sensitivity course. Maybe even charged with a hate crume.
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The questions we should be asking instead of the typical "NO" is? What special accommodations does a transgendered troop need? Will it adversely impact the mission? I haven't knowingly served with a transgendered troop so I am unsure of where to start.
CW2 Lindsey Muller SSG Patricia King SPC Angela Burnham
CW2 Lindsey Muller SSG Patricia King SPC Angela Burnham
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SrA Edward Vong
SSG Jacey R. CW2 Lindsey Muller
If the only accommodation needed is to be allowed to serve, then yes should be no problem. A few medical one off should not be a big deal either. I couldn't see any other major accommodations needed.
If the only accommodation needed is to be allowed to serve, then yes should be no problem. A few medical one off should not be a big deal either. I couldn't see any other major accommodations needed.
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SrA Edward Vong
CW2 Lindsey Muller
One I do see that can be a potential issue (if both parties make it one) is grooming, and appearance, but I believe if the troops look professional enough, common sense should tell you to leave them alone.
One I do see that can be a potential issue (if both parties make it one) is grooming, and appearance, but I believe if the troops look professional enough, common sense should tell you to leave them alone.
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CW2 Lindsey Muller - To add to what Chief Muller and SSG Roncali has stated, I think we are getting a little too wrapped up in titles. For me, they are a team mate, human, Soldier, Sailor, Airman, Marine or Coastie whom I am charged with having their six (back) at all times. I'm really not thinking about their personal life beyond normal considerations as stated above (addressing them and customs and courtesies towards their gender identification). It takes a certain level of maturity to deal with this and the task at hand becomes "Are we a mature enough Military to do so?" Good order and discipline did not change when "you didn't know their gender identity" so why all of a sudden is there a change?
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