Posted on Jul 16, 2016
How would you accommodate a transgender subordinate in your unit?
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Following RAND's study and the one by the Palm Center previous to that, it's clear that there are thousands of transgender people serving right now.
How should the military accommodate these individuals? Should they be allowed to follow the regs of the gender they identify with? Should facilities be assigned by gender, or the physical sex of the service member?
Constructive responses please.
How should the military accommodate these individuals? Should they be allowed to follow the regs of the gender they identify with? Should facilities be assigned by gender, or the physical sex of the service member?
Constructive responses please.
Posted >1 y ago
Responses: 153
I retired in 1995 and thank God I did. I could not deal with all the ridiculousness current day troops do. If you were born a male, you are a male. Your DNA and your chromosomes will never say otherwise. Same criteria applies if you were born female.
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Doesn't surprise me the amount of homophobic trash talking here a bunch of you so called soldiers officers and sergeants are closeted homophobic bigots. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean you gotta s*** on people respect the person's privacy but that being said they need to be a soldier and roll with it and whatever comes with it.
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Personal Counseling. As Squad Leader, I had the privilege of leading and Supervising 13 + ...see most Supervisors, the normal range ratio is 1:3 to 1:7 Sup:Soldier...That's the leadership challenge. Meeting the Standards. Professional Counseling each individual can be tedious n arduous. As SL delegate team leaders to contribute. Job Performance and Professional Counseling is one thing but Personal Counseling is a whole different mindset. NCOs at Squad level are not expected to be licensed Psychs or Social Workers but with on going training n Professional Development those NCOs would be able to expand their skills in Personal Counseling their Soldiers. I remember in the 70s NCOs had the resources for Personal Counseling but it was the Officers that took that piece of responsibility away from the NCOs... SQL, PltSgt,...Consequently, we NCOs gave Personal Counseling to the Officers because they had the college degrees n the where with all to meet that challenge. College kids that know it all. 45 ty ears later, I don't know where Personal Counseling fits in NCO business as I retired in 1996
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I did not intend to vote. I thought it would give me an option of yes or no. And the answer is no all the way around. Don't ask don't tell was one thing. Now you want a bunch of cross-dressing, sexually dysfunctional drag queens showing up in heels for formation? No. We would be laughed at by the entire world. If you think we have already lost a esteem as a country due to our current administration, imagine what would happen if we go one more step towards transgenderism. Gay and lesbian - and I don't know what the difference between the two of those words actually is - is one thing. They suit up and they show up. What I don't know I don't care about. During my experience in the military you pretty much knew who. As long as my partner had my back, male or female I didn't care. But when we're talking about transgenders we're talking about psychologically dysfunctional people according to the American Psychiatric Association. The rate of suicide is high. The rate of regret after transition is just as high. They are psychologically dysfunctional and therefore I cannot trust them to have my back. We can make jokes about showing up in 6-in stilettos that they can use as weapons. But that only jokes about the issue. Give me a partner that's got my six 24/7. For what it's worth, I was a military policeman and my best partner was a female. If you decided you want to play frog landing on the lily pad (our uniform) she'd kick off on you as soon as you budged. That's a partner. That's a soldier.
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The majority of problems in the ranks is because some people think they are specials. If they are mentally handicapped then provide accommodation!
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From my experience on the ship, they actually do better than real women. They are able to handle and contribute effectively to onboard operations like refueling at sea, replenishment at sea, damage control, stores onload, and other physically demanding routine tasks that little 120 pound Samantha isnt actively contributing and is honestly more often than not getting in the way at best and at worst a casualty waiting to happen. The only accommodation they get is female prt standards and female berthing which are contentious at best. Maybe its time to go full starship troopers and have gender neutral berthing to eliminate the issue all together.
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The military isn't for everyone. And individual has to be able to adapt and conform with regulations and policies. If a person cannot adhere to army regulations then it's not for them.
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1 - I am not military or a veteran, just a former LEO and Firefighter.
2 - I worked in Management for many years in a few industries, and I would assume my response would be typical of the industries I have worked in, possibly close to those in the Military.
3 - What you identify as does not excuse disobeying an order, especially in the military. If I had a crew that were all equal in their seniority and position and I passed out jobs, say having the trans employee mop the kitchen before lunch, and I heard "I AM TRANS, YOU WILL GIVE ME ANOTHER JOB, DAMMIT I AM NOT DOING THIS" I would tell them to leave, clock out, and come to see the GM (top level person) tomorrow. They'd be counseled, told they are not above others for any reason, and using their sexuality to say "I get the cushy jobs" is not allowed.
it's very simple, if you want a job, do the job, don't say "no no no, I'm trans, I get to rule" and expect it to work.
All of that said, I'd expect to then be sued for "discrimination" to then hear in court "THEY JUST HATE ME FOR BEING TRANS, THEY DISCRIMINATED" and when everyone's testimony, documents, possibly video or audio, proves them wrong, I'd expect to hear "NOOOOOOOO, ALL OF THAT IS INVALID, YOU MAY NOT RULE AGAINST ME" from the type of person who says "I AM TRANS, I AM YOUR GOD, YOU WILL OBEY ME" just for being trans.
2 - I worked in Management for many years in a few industries, and I would assume my response would be typical of the industries I have worked in, possibly close to those in the Military.
3 - What you identify as does not excuse disobeying an order, especially in the military. If I had a crew that were all equal in their seniority and position and I passed out jobs, say having the trans employee mop the kitchen before lunch, and I heard "I AM TRANS, YOU WILL GIVE ME ANOTHER JOB, DAMMIT I AM NOT DOING THIS" I would tell them to leave, clock out, and come to see the GM (top level person) tomorrow. They'd be counseled, told they are not above others for any reason, and using their sexuality to say "I get the cushy jobs" is not allowed.
it's very simple, if you want a job, do the job, don't say "no no no, I'm trans, I get to rule" and expect it to work.
All of that said, I'd expect to then be sued for "discrimination" to then hear in court "THEY JUST HATE ME FOR BEING TRANS, THEY DISCRIMINATED" and when everyone's testimony, documents, possibly video or audio, proves them wrong, I'd expect to hear "NOOOOOOOO, ALL OF THAT IS INVALID, YOU MAY NOT RULE AGAINST ME" from the type of person who says "I AM TRANS, I AM YOUR GOD, YOU WILL OBEY ME" just for being trans.
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