Posted on Jul 16, 2016
SPC Angela Burnham
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Following RAND's study and the one by the Palm Center previous to that, it's clear that there are thousands of transgender people serving right now.

How should the military accommodate these individuals? Should they be allowed to follow the regs of the gender they identify with? Should facilities be assigned by gender, or the physical sex of the service member?

Constructive responses please.
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PO2 Mike Vignapiano
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Not my job. Above my paygrade. This is something the higher ups in Washington must decide. If they did NOT fully transition BEFORE joining, they should be assigned according to their genitalia. Also, the military should NOT entertain any requests to assist with their surgeries because, just like any other medical issue, if it existed before enlisting, they must be discharged with an Administrative Discharge and an R-4 code
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PO2 Robert Carrillo
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Why do they need to be accommodated then we should accommodate everyone for example all should have a Spanish interpreter ok. I'm handicapped they need to accommodate me according to the American and I say American with disability act, our military is there to protect our country not social experiments
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PO2 Mike Vignapiano
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PO2 Robert Carrillo - you had me until you said you are disabled. I do not believe disabled people are accepted and can stay in the military. But then again, so much has changed since I was discharged. I could be wrong.
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PO2 Robert Carrillo
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lol I meant it as a joke, military has one thing to do protect the USA, it's people and it's interest
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PO2 Robert Carrillo
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It's not the military job to provide sex change your job your only job is to protect the united state of America go to another country to get the government to pay for for your change
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1SG Frank Peck
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I don't think I would do anything. A boy bunks with boys, girls bunk with girls. I was convoy commander in both Iraq and Afghanistan. We were always on the road, we all slept together in the tents on missions. Back on the FOB we had our male and female barracks. Bottom line, we were all Soldiers.
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SSG Dale London
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Accommodate? I wouldn't. The army isn't a baby-sitting service or a self-help program. It's an army. I don't ask people about their politics, sexual preferences, or what kind of ice cream they like. I don't care about their gender identity either. If they can do their job and not disrupt the unit, fine. If not - goodbye!
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SGT(P) Master Driver
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For those that are saying that the military shouldn't conform to anyone it already has. It shouldn't. We should conform to the military. But now there are too many court rulings that mandate the military or allow those to make the military conform to them. The military is conforming to the political ideas, social ideas, etc we shouldn't be. Our job isn't a social experiment. Our job is to be as lethal as possible in the event of action.
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CW4 Deanna Paladina
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The survey results (77%, physical sex only should determine...) ignore the fact that hormone therapy for transgender women includes finasteride and spironolactone, which are testosterone blockers. After gender affirming surgery, trans women have no testosterone in their system at all (cisgender women have a low level of testosterone -- that's how it works, believe it or not), so it is unfair to expect to perform to the standards of men. They are women. Treat them as women.

No one much cares about trans men. They'll be on testosterone replacement therapy, and will bulk up over time and be physically able to meet the physical requirements for men. Everybody loves another male stud in the unit. OTOH, trans women have no testosterone in their system at all. They simply cannot physically compete on an equal footing with cisgender men. Female standards should, and must, apply to trans women.

There simply should be no argument about this. Trans men are men; trans women are women. Treat them as such.
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1SG Michael Bonnett
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After having read the “documentation” I come to the conclusion that politicians wearing uniforms wrote it at the order of other politicians above them whose children will never wear a military uniform because they are courting votes.

There is no right to serve in the US military, much less to get the military to pay for operations and treatments that will make those soldiers unable to deploy to combat anyway.

The US military blocks lots of Americans from service for being too tall, too small, too thin, too fat, for having ever caught a list of things too long to mention here, for mental instability and many other medical conditions and no one has objected over the last 150 years.

We also kick out those who can no longer deploy to combat if they become too big a burden to the nation or the military.

Lately, we kicked out many good soldiers who obey the law on “I will not follow illegal orders” and now I come to this conclusion.

We have a small part of American society whose numbers have been vastly inflated by the politicians. They are courting their votes and this group has a documented attempted suicide rate of 40+ percent in peacetime who now want the military to pay for their transition to the other sex.

That rate for suicide actually goes higher 6 to 8 years after they do their “transitioning”.

That fact is not mentioned much.

I have talked with a few who did the male to female thing and one who went the other way.

The first way results in a continuous open wound that can not be allowed to heal with some other issues and that group could NEVER be deployed to ground combat by an ethical command.

The second group will have ongoing issues that are less bad but it is still bad enough to keep them from a long combat deployment if they are outside a base camp.

General always plans their next war based on the last one and that has always gone badly.

The next war will not be like the last one. It is more likely to have living conditions like WWI. Look at ground combat for the Russian troops in Ukraine. We will not have any advantages in a war with China either.

Does anyone want to be part of the experiment when you put individuals with a 40% suicide rate in peacetime into ground combat while giving them automatic weapons and hand grenades?

Under the current rules it would be moot point anyway. They would need hormone treatment for the rest of their lives and that is one of the groups we already kick out because they cannot deploy to combat.



SO, all this is really about is votes and abusing the military heath system and putting other soldiers at risk while doing it.

I am sure this will flush out a lot politicians in uniform who must prove their loyalty to the Generals so go ahead with the “We support this freckles decision” statements.

A smart soldier will take down those names and try to make sure you do not serve under them if war is near, as it may be soon.

It should get exciting starting from the 12th to the 22nd of this month in Europe…

I wonder if the President and his minions will skip out of town if they find out they poked the bear too hard with their out-and-back missions into the Baltic States and Romania?

220 military aircraft flying toward Russia after the civilian airlines out of the way, nope that’s not dumb at all.

Stay safe out there.
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TSgt Jeff Tessman
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Our country should never tailor its military to the whims of an individual(s)! It is not a social club to belong to, it is a combat ready group that follows set standards and regulations! Every Man and Woman relies on the team effort, which allows them to be a precision fighting unit! They are “ONE” in purpose to serve and protect the United States of America all in God We Trust!
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Sgt Vernon Fulmer
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It is important for transgender individuals to be treated with the same respect and dignity as any other service member. With that being said, unreasonable accommodations that hinder unit readiness should be reconsidered.
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SSG Michael Schneider
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Personally, as a older soldier (74) I believe in the regs that applied when I enlisted in 1965: No Homosexuals, and no accomodations for anyone!
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