Posted on Dec 4, 2013
SGM Matthew Quick
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What are (or would be) your 'Top 5' traits that determine 'quality' for a service member's possible continued service?

Example:
- High PFT score or subordinate's average PFT score
- Complete XX college credit hours or having subordinates complete XX college
- Volunteerism
- Competing in or having subordinates compete in/win competitive boards
- Awards
- ASVAB scores or ASVAB score improvement
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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<p>Top 5 for me?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>1) Intellect/Education/knowledge.</p><p>2) Selflessness/ volunteerism.</p><p>3) Technical/tactical proficiency.</p><p>4) Curious/ seeker of knowledge/ well read.</p><p>5)&nbsp;Self motivated/ Driven.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I think if you have these, the rest can take care of themselves.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>
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SFC Michael Hasbun
SFC Michael Hasbun
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The "love" variety?
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SGM Matthew Quick
SGM Matthew Quick
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SSG Hasbun,

In your opinion, is there a way to quantify these?
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SFC Michael Hasbun
SFC Michael Hasbun
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I'll admit, when discussing largely intangible personality traits, there is a large amount of room for subjectivity. My personal guidelines (for myself) are as follows, in the order previously presented;

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1) College degree? Speaking ability? Articulate? Good demonstrated problem solving? Little supervision/input/oversight required?

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2) Do their actions/words indicate that others/their Soldiers are their first priority? Is it usually about them? Do they do a lot of community work? Do they help out on their own time, whether work or personal? Are they involved in their Soldiers/peers lives?  How do they contribute positively to the world around them?

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3) How well do they know their craft, both MOS and fieldcraft? Are they a fount of good information, or a blackhole where information goes in but never leaves? Do they know the regs, or guess/make stuff up? Are they seeking NCOES or any other military education at all? Do they avoid it? Do they frequently get called on inaccurate guidance? How well do they know all their basic Soldier tasks/Uniforms/awards/ programs, etc...

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4)Ties into 1 and 3, mostly displaying a love of learning for it's own sake, on a myriad of topics.

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5) Pretty self explanatory.

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Hope this helps. Oh, and if you're wondering about the period breaks in between, it's the one way I've found to keep RP from mashing my paragraphs together, sorry if it's odd...

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1. Possesses military bearing and appearance.



2. Demonstrates appropriate expertise in assigned tasks.



3. Maintains appropriate level of physical fitness.



4. Motivates, challenges and develops subordinates and/or peers.



5. Clear and concise in communication.



6. Displays sound judgment.



7. Adaptable to changing situations.



8. Performs under stress.



9. Possesses capacity to acquire knowledge.



10. Seeks self-improvement.



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SPC Christopher Salustro
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I agree with most of the comments here. I would rather see someone who is knowledgable all around in general Army knowledge rather than someone who can score a 300 on their PT test.

 

You would think the Army could understand this and stop promoting those "Greatness" PT studs, and look at overall value, you'd have more quality NCOs. Don't take this the wrong way, there are NCOs out there that do a great job, but from the multitude of those, it seems that if you look good on paper, you can go far. If you're "average" on paper, meaning you don't shoot expert, and have a 235-250 PT score, you're looked upon as "sub-par". I just find this appauling.

 

To answer MSG's question, my big things for quality members.

1) Willingness to learn and accept and correct mistakes

2) Furthering thier education

3) Common sense

 

If you don't have these traits you're stubborn, lazy, and generally out of touch with the "norm" which means the Army, isn't going to be right for you in general. That is the quality of soldier we DO NOT want.

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How would you determine a 'quality' service member?
CPT Mike M.
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<p>All those examples you listed are what the Army loves to see - quantifiable data.&nbsp; I personally would rather have a few things that are harder to measure.</p><p>- Proactive:&nbsp; can execute the solution to a problem before he's even told there is a problem</p><p>- Technical and tactical proficiency with ideally at least a couple tank gunneries already under his belt</p><p>- Trainer:&nbsp; is always prepared to give quality training at a moment's notice and does so in a way that keeps his Soldiers' attention</p><p>- Reliable:&nbsp; always in the right place at the right time, turns in products or information requirements on time, never has to be told to do something more than once</p><p>- Overall althleticism.&nbsp; Plays sports, lifts weights, does Tough Mudders and things like that, and translates all that physical ability to the military well in that he can run, ruck, buddy carry, work on a tank, etc.</p>
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SGM Matthew Quick
SGM Matthew Quick
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CPT Miller,

 

Are you or have you served as a Company Commander?

I ask this because Company Commanders are charged with keeping our most qualified Soldiers...how would a Company Commander make this decision?

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CPT Mike M.
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Yes, and today actually marks my 34th month of Command.  The quantifiable traits you listed as examples are great things for a Soldier, that's no doubt.  Quantifiable things are the backbone of a strong NCOER or OER and in these times of downsizing are going to be looked at more and more.  I'm just saying that if someone comes in with a reenlistment packet, when it crosses my desk I look at the past evals to see what they say about their past performance and more importantly, potential for future service.  Then I sit down with my 1SG and we get more into the immeasurable traits.  It's where truly KNOWING your Soldiers comes into play.  That's how we judge their full character and not just their numbers.  However, if you're going to choose not to let someone reenlist, those non-quantifiable traits better be on paper somewhere, be it evals or their counseling packet.  All of us in key leader positions know that even when the Army's downsizing, sending someone to the civilian world against their will requires supporting documentation.
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SGM Matthew Quick
SGM Matthew Quick
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Thanks, CPT Miller!<br><br>It's always beneficial to 'see behind the curtain' on decisions that affect our Soldiers. &nbsp;Good insight.
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MSG Curtis Lange
MSG Curtis Lange
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Unfortunately not all Commanders go to that much trouble to identify the quality Soldier. Over my 20-years as a Career Counselor working at all levels of command I did not many Commanders use individual data to make a retention decision. Most of the time the decions were made based on pressure from higher Commands to meet mission numbers and unit strength numbers. Knowing how long it would take to get a replacement of a unknown qualiy replacement meant keeping what they had on-hand...especially when preparing for a deployment.

Other times it was more of the "what have they done lately" or were they on the Commanders radar for being in trouble, no matter the underlying circumstances.

I know that teaching Company Commander's course block on Retention for USAREUR in Vielsek, Germany we encouraged Commanders to take the time CPT Miller describes to make a decision. Potential for further sevice and promotion, that means that a Soldier was allowed to make mistakes as long as they learned from them and were not repetitive. Someone that is not allowed to learn from mistakes will not reach to achieve more, they will stay in the "safe" zone, neither excelling nor falling behind average.
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<p>All good responses, and I would also add that a quality service member should also -&nbsp;</p><p>- have personal courage to stand up for&nbsp;subordinates</p><p>-&nbsp;embody&nbsp;the organization's values</p><p>-&nbsp;apply sound judgment though common sense and ethical behavior</p><p>- be a team builder not a lone ranger</p>
MSG Brad Sand
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Kind of sounds like 'Army Values', which I would agree with whole heartedly.
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CH (CPT) Heather Davis
CH (CPT) Heather Davis
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SGM Dawkins:


Respectfully, I concur the importance to stand up for subordinates. The magnitude to mentor and develop all Soldiers and not the ones that you like.


The ability to bounce back through adversity when you were ostracized for standing up for others. The importance of being an advocate and providing guidance to ensure that the Soldier is not a lone ranger.  HOOAH!!

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Some one who is good with APFT , willing to fight the fight, respectful,  good moral standing and common sense.  Im just waiting for someone to tell me " Ski we need you to go back and fight the Taliban". I'll be all over that.
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1SG Johnny Carter
1SG Johnny Carter
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A quality service member to me is someone who lives, breathes, and swears by the Army Values!
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CPT Assistant Professor Of Military Science
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1. Integrity
2. Work Ethic
3. Courage
4. Initiative
5. Selflessness

To me, intelligence is one of the most overrated qualities, unless paired with other traits.  A smart soldier with a poor work ethic is absolutely worthless.
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CPL Jay Strickland
CPL Jay Strickland
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There is a really easy way in a line unit, at 2 pm check inside all the vehicles, the ones that are asleep are not quality service members.
 
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Sgt John Henry
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Also: gives a helping hand of motivation and instruction to fellow team members who need it.  A leader does not leave anyone behind.
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A "quality" service member to me is the type of person you described in your examples MSG. For example, I went to the GT improvement class and I took my soldier with me so she could improve as well. I am currently deployed and volunteer at various locations, when I do that I take my soldier with me. I am currently enrolled in College courses and helped my soldier enroll as well to continue her courses. A "quality" service member is someone who does everything in their power to have themselves succeed and puts the same amount of effort in helping their soldiers succeed as well. There will always be those people who don't like to see others succeed in thoughts that their subordinates may be better than them and pass them up soon.
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MSG Curtis Lange
MSG Curtis Lange
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I agree with you. Many Soldiers that I trained and mentored have gone from SGT(P) and SSG to be SGM in my career field. Just because I knew I would not be promoted did not keep from helping others achieve their potential. 

Set the example and they will better learn the lesson...something about leading from the front comes to mind.
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CH (CPT) Heather Davis
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Sir respectfully top five for me:


Never Quits

Personal Courage will stand on regulation and will not allow injustice on their watch.

Mentors everyone does not show favoritism.

Protects the future by ensure that they do not get eaten before they develop.

Humility the ability to serve and not have an entitlement attitude.

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