Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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What is a senior e5? You're an e 5 or not. when you got it, how long you have held it, etc. doesnt matter. you're in front of that formation, you are in charge. There could be e-6's standing there.. you're in charge.
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SGT Robert Mcfadden
SGT Alan Dike - air assault school,cpl's in charge of majors and above. Lol, senior officers had to run just like the rest of us.
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SGT Alan Dike
SGT Robert Mcfadden - In the performance of their duties, there are many times when a lower ranking can outrank a more SR personnel. In the performance of their duties, MP's act with the authority of the CG of the post. Staff Duty NCO acts with the authority of the Brigade or BN CSM (which can actually have more SR personnel assigned to his detail while he maintains authority). Operations, while in performance of their duties, like handing out taskings, etc to PLT leaders act with the authority of the Commander of the unit, and in such case that NCOIC of operations can very well have authority over a LT... for that single event of assigning that tasking. As you said, in classes, the instructor is the one in charge, regardless of rank of the students in the room.
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One time I lost it and another time I said sure. Get back in line and we will see what we have for you. Either way it did not turn out well for the E-2.
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I would respond with "Looks like Private E-Nothing just volunteered for extra duties & details".
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First off I would have never beed that way in formation. I was enlisted for years before going Officer. So based on that information I once...ONCE jokingly smart mouthed my E6 when I was an E4. Something about who should take the trash when he was standing right next to it. I stupidly said "well jump your happy ass up and grab it". The ass chewing came from the other NCOs and Enlisted guys in the truck. I was publicly shamed by my peers. I honestly didn't mean disrespect to my E6. That worked for me for decades. I retired a Major and to this day I regret saying that.
In this case you cant just gut punch the punk. But you can PT his ass along with his E5, E7 and hech toss in his LT. A little group therapy works. Kinda sets him up for publicly shaming himself with their help.
In this case you cant just gut punch the punk. But you can PT his ass along with his E5, E7 and hech toss in his LT. A little group therapy works. Kinda sets him up for publicly shaming himself with their help.
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Give the Platoon Sergeant the look that says, you got this, and walk away.
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Back in my day, it would have involved a ass whooping or a blanket party. I'm guessing you can't do either with these snowflakes nowadays.
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SFC Lyle Green
In 67, drafted at 18, every DI we had wore a CIB and VN unit patch. Mostly Black, Big, Loud and mean as the likes I or we had never seen before. Back them most young men, what ever your race or background was, had the one key survival trait...Discipline. Respect for Authority Figures. Later I learned, the main purpose of the DI was to invoke a recruit to get out with a section 8, (mental discharge) or discharge due to unable to adapt to military service, don't remember the proper name. The DIs were brutal, as Gary said, back then the DI could harass even know your clock off, or get the blanket w/bar of soap treatment. But the most common discipline I can remember during basic was the unruly recruited would be sent to admin training which was for as many days as it took to get the person in line, if not he would be discharged. yet if my memory serves me, I can only recall the sever actions being done on two people only, and both were tremendously overweight.
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What we usually do in a case like that We take the E2 and have him, duck walk with his rifle around the parade ground..and the parade ground is all sand then we inspect the rifle after he comes aound the 1 time,Guess what not only does he have a dirty piece but he has to go around again.
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Calmly tell the shit-bird "very well" and give the assignment to the biggest, baddest guy in the unit adding that it will happen every time private shit-bird doesn't want to do his share of the work. Wait and see if he mouths off again.
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First off he would be pushing the ground down ,he would get every shit detail that came along and a article 15 for disrespect. Just like the old days but today the Drill is not allowed to do squat. No disrespect but the higher ups need to grow a set and let the drills be drills.
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