Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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There would be formal counseling and If It kept being a Problem then Put into writing and tell that is not acceptable and If it continues I would Recommend a AR15 under the UCMJ
and Be discharged. SSG MARK FRANZEN VET
and Be discharged. SSG MARK FRANZEN VET
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Make certain the E@ understands that I just gave him/her an order and I expect it to be carried out.
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I had that exact thing happen way back when I was a young RM2 and Class Petty Officer for the IMCO course that I was TAD from my ship to Attend. There was an RMSA (E-2) that was nine years my senior, but three grades my junior. I had the class members in a rotation to clean the classroom and take out the trash. When, it came to the E-2's time he refused and said, no 19 year old Petty Officer is going to tell me to do crap. Being a fleet sailor I had no problem dressing him down. Well, a Staff Chief just happened to walk by the class room as he began to mouth. You guessed it. I had my cleaning crew for the next ten weeks. I firmly believe in praise in public, chastise in private. I broke my run that day, but sometimes ou have to get down to their level to get your point across.
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There's obviously a good order and discipline issue here. This Apprentice obviously doesn't respect the E5's mess, and unless you were telling him to do something wildly inappropriate, it's time to find out whether or not he respects the Chief's mess.
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I too believe in praise in public, punish in private. So far in my military career there has only been three times where I had to really get to the heart of the matter, in my office away from the other troops with one of my other NCO peers in the room to add more weight and substance to the matter at hand. But as far as the E-2 is concerned, he has lost his frickin' mind. If I issue a lawful order not contrary to good order and discipline, then that PFC needs to just say "Aye, Aye Corporal"....and carry out what he was ordered to do. If not, that's ok cause after he does what he is supposed to...Stand by! I was always fair to my Marines and never used my position as power, but if they thought they didn't have to obey an order because they didn't feel like it, they would quickly understand that their personal concerns do not come before the mission at hand (other than threat to human life or something of that serious magnitude.)
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Smoke him. Front leaning rests until I'm tired, then some front, back, goes, maybe some iron mikes.
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Failure to obey a lawful order. Write him up. That individual will not learn any clearer. S/He is trying to buck the system.
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Pulled to a private location with a witness and given one opportunity to defend their actions. Then comes the ultimatum. Fall in or drum out.
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Tell him he has no choice, I am giving a lawful order so finish the exercise
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