Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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I saw this in the early 70s in the SeaBees with p.c. and affirmative action and from the point of view the seamen doing the grunt work it was total bs . They got away with murder and nothing happened to them and since they couldn't be trusted to do anything important the rest of us had to pick up the slack . The military is not a social justice workshop and the slackers should have been stomped on hard right from the beginning . That's one of the reasons I didn't ship over
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I remind them that it's not only my responsibility, but my privilege to make their lives a living hell, if they continue to disrespect my authority.
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I am old school, my initial instinct would be to deck the maggot and send him to the brig for insubordination. Regardless, this puke disobeyed a lawful and should be brought up on charges, preferably discharged for his actions.
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Counseling chit and possible EMI. If it continues NJP the process them out.
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Personally i would make him the object of attention. I will not wall to wall counsel him in front of others but I will make sure he understands his place in the food chain and he will have crap duties for quite a while.
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After I removed my foot from his ass, I let the chain of command have him.( I being his L/CPL (E-3 for you non-Marines) would then let the Corporal have him before the Sergeant would get his turn)
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I am a U.S. Navy Vietnam Veteran PO 3 and in my day 1964-1968 the little shit bird wouldn't be able to back talk me or my mates because his jaw would have been broken. Then as now there wasn't and shouldn't be any tolerance for that kind of bullshit. In any situation emergency or combat there is no excuse for disobeying any order, or you may find yourself overboard in the middle of the night in someplace like the South China Sea or if you a Marine and part of a rifle squad in combat you might get shot from behind by an M-16, not that either ever happened, just saying.
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Peer pressure works also. Don't release anyone until everything's complete. And have him pull watch over his battles while they are doing the work. Won't take long for him to get the point. Write nice little counseling that you read to him after everyone else has left. If that don't work light that but on fire in front of his peers while keeping your bearing. Write that counseling. And in no time at all he/she will get the point or a chapter
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I know that sounds week but in today's military JAG will crucify you if your not careful. Maybe TRUMP will give back power to the NCO.
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I take it digging a fighting hole with an MRE spoon is frowned upon these days?
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This would not have happened when I was in the militsry. There was respect for rank and position. If a E4 team leader told you to do something it was done. No questions asked
Don't know what's going on today but if this is a issue they are facing in the militsry they have some serious issues
Don't know what's going on today but if this is a issue they are facing in the militsry they have some serious issues
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I would tell the E2 it is his/her choice but if the person chooses to not do as told then the whole platoon will be doing a great deal of extra PT while this E2 gets to sit and watch. I don't think that E2 will want to take the heat the rest of the platoon is going to share with him/her.
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Hahaha I love the cpl's way of dealing with it. That's how I would have dealt a situation with my grandkids. We all know what needs to be done. But I guess you have to be sweet about it. So you drop him till your done doing what needs to be done and dismiss everyone except him let him keep pushing while you chat with him about what's going on. If his wife did cheat or a parent or family member died or maybe he's got cancer. Explain to him it's part of life and he needs to carry on. When he agrees with you and apologies then let him up. If he don't apologise let him push.
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I would walk up to him and in a professional low voice and say to him, "Let's talk after formation" and find out what the problem is. Then after that is said and done, I'll teach him about not only did he embarrass me he also made an ass out of himself in front of others and also teach him the value and good character of mutual respect and following orders without question. If that doesn't work and he does it again, I will take appropriate UCMJ action. I will also remind him of the oath he took when he rose his right hand and if he doesn't remember, I will take a copy of that and tell him to read it again, to show that a brain fart is not acceptable.
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I would say exactly this in the squad formation "I am talking to the E4 mafia, I do not want to know who you are, however this PV2 need to be fixed real fast or I will be volunteering the squad as much as I can for every little thing that comes up, for visibility purposes of course, to include additional PT for anyone not quite up the the company standard"
Let the E4 mafia handle this in the most efficient way possible. I can guarantee you that PV2 will be shitting his pants.
Let the E4 mafia handle this in the most efficient way possible. I can guarantee you that PV2 will be shitting his pants.
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Show them in no uncertain terms that they have f***** up royally! Instill the fear of God in them and they will not do it again! I never really had this problem when I was in I'm old we knew better!
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