Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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Not allowed any more wall to wall counseling! I promise magic of pen on a counseling statement loss months pay and extra duty! Not to mention to whisper in snowflakes ear ( suck up buttercup cup and drive on other wise I will own your career for letting your battle buddies down) look him in the eyes and smile knowing the rest of my platoon got me covered! They will find weed themselves or adapt!
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What worked real well for me, was to switch places with them (with command approval...) And tell them THEY have to pick someone. And tell them NO ONE is leaving formation until HE has chosen. No, he can't do it himself, he HAS to pick someone, and if it doesn't get done correctly, HE will be held accountable...
I picked a new guy every Friday to run the show for 6 months. Within a month, bitching dropped to zero and they all wound up knowing each others jobs, and overall effectiveness went up. All the other teams thought I was effing nutz. But my guys were awesome, and stopped bitching about stupid shit.
The trick, and here is the catch. When Smartass E2 finally sacks up enough to tell YOU to get the trash out, you better be willing to suck it up and do it. Because isn't that eventually the name of the game? Teach leadership? Teach accountability? At least I thought so...
I picked a new guy every Friday to run the show for 6 months. Within a month, bitching dropped to zero and they all wound up knowing each others jobs, and overall effectiveness went up. All the other teams thought I was effing nutz. But my guys were awesome, and stopped bitching about stupid shit.
The trick, and here is the catch. When Smartass E2 finally sacks up enough to tell YOU to get the trash out, you better be willing to suck it up and do it. Because isn't that eventually the name of the game? Teach leadership? Teach accountability? At least I thought so...
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From the late 70's to early 80's I made the whole formation pay for it. After the others "talked" to the E2 suddenly there were no more problems. Punish the group and let them handle it first.
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Dismiss formation except soldier and his squad leader find out why Soldier funds it necessary to disobey a lawful command. If Eason stinks council him and list UCMJ Articles . Have squad leader make sure Soldier performs duty and withhold privaledges from Soldier give extra Training maybe write paper on conduct .Write everything out in counseling statement . Any further trouble refer for article 15
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Knife hand to the face embarrass him in front of the whole platoon tell him to fall out and get into pt gear and all ncos in platoon take turns running his butt up a hill one at a time until he learns to never mouth off to a senior nco paperwork doesn't nothing but ruin a man's life but alittle pain and exercise builds character and respect for authority
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Embarrass him right there in front of everyone knife hand to the face tell him to get into pt gear and all ncos in the platoon take turns running him up a hill until he changes his mind about mouthing off to a senior nco paperwork doesn't fix anything but pain and exercise fixes everything
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