Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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Sgt. Horton
I would have stopped formation pulled him or her into the office and chewed him or her out and charged them with disrespect to an NCO and disobeying a lawful order. And I would put them on every working party I could fine.
I would have stopped formation pulled him or her into the office and chewed him or her out and charged them with disrespect to an NCO and disobeying a lawful order. And I would put them on every working party I could fine.
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Something similar happen to me while deployed to the AOR. I had a SSgt and 2 SRA's talking and cutting up during guard mount while I was disseminating post assignments, pass-ons etc... I called all 3 to the front of the formation made them stand at attention while conducted the rest of guard mount. After I dismissed guard mount I chewed on all 3 for a minute. I went a step further with the young E5 /. SSgt. I took him outside and ripped him a new one. When we finished he understood that it would not be tolerated again, next time would be LOC or LOR. It never happened again from those individuals or anyone else for that matter, because I had set the tone and they all new my expectations.
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Write him up for a company grade Article 15 for disrespect to an NCO and disobeying an order, after verbally reprimanding him in a very processional, loud, and public manner on the spot. Do not tolerate this. Send a clear message.
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I can't remember anything approaching this in 21.5 years. Closest would be griping about getting a bad post for a week for no apparent reason, from an E3 when I was an E5. It was done after the formation, respectfully and in private, and the guy was actually right, an oversight on my part. I checked the rosters, told him he was stuck with it that day, but I made it up to him later. If he had taken the attitude in your scenario, I would have likely removed him from post that day for PRP reasons and sent him to the shrink, which would have meant involving the chain of command. And since he challenged me in public, yeah, right in front of everyone, like "Turn in your weapon now and meet me back here ASAP", which the whole formation would rightly interpret as non-career-enhancing.
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Dismiss the rest of the troops to their duty assignments. TELL the offender to stand in place. TWO outcomes. One the troop stands in place. Inform him to follow you to the first sgt's office. Invite the commander. Inform the troop that he will be escorted to his barracks to pack 4 sets of underware, socks, uniforms and hygiene articles. Call the Personnel Correction Facility (PCF) while he is doing this. Two, the individual walks away and will not respond to your command. Go straight to the first sgt's office, call the MP's to pick him up. Then, escort to barracks and PCF. File charges under article 15, insubordination.
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would tell them to stand fast. The ask why they thought they should refuse said order. If attitude presists i would give it to the chief or higher. Subject would probably get restricted duty or a article 15 at captaind mast.
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Doesn't make a Difference what his Problem is, this kind or response can not be let Happen. If E5 didn't make Quick and Public Correction ,He would be seeing Me, as for E1 he would be working for me for about 2 weeks, trust me he would never do it again. But I must admit, something like this never happened to me, I don't know if it was because of the way I conducted myself or because it was a Whole Different ARMY.
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I simply would march them straight to the orderly room and either let the first sgt or the commander deal with it. If it was a legal order then I am sure that UCMJ can correct the problem in the short term beyond that your commander, you, and the individual need to decide if he is right to be in the service. You can't afford to have this type of behavior because once you get into combat there isn't time to deal with this.
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