Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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Immediately inform him of his insubordination and remind him that this is not a choice. This is an order. CM on assignments and have soldier stand fast after dismissing the rest of the work detail. Remedial PT until supervisor is tired. E-2 mouthing off to an E-5 is unacceptable. There are ways to respectfully disagree without attempting to undermine someone in a place of authority. Mouthing off in formation is not it.
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Push the earth, until Bragg starts to Move, Front Leaning Rest Position, Move!
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This is actually pretty simple question. This person requires physical discipline. In the form of additional PT. Should that fail, six their options are extra duty, or reduction in rank, and forfeiture of pay, in other words an article 15.
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Front leaning rest position along with the whole platoon till blood runs from there ears.
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I agree...Everyone needs to know he just cross the line. Never tolerate insubordination !
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"Scold in Private, Praise in public" have said individual stand fast, continue on with daily formation responsibilities, dismiss formation. Pull E-2 aside along with another ranked Petty Officer. Inform Sailor that the third party is there to observe verbal counseling session. Begin to dig into the issue at hand and find out if an underlying factor (family issues, career issues,etc) is present. If no issue prepare three separate counseling chits. Disobeying lawful order, disrespect to Petty Officer, dereliction of duties and forward said sailor to DRB so the anchors can sort the issue or send said Sailor up the chain. A lot of people on here are completely blowing the fact that today if you raise your voice to some of the Sailors, or Marines, or whoever you are speaking to its an EO complaint and a career killer. Ink is heavier than verbal words on paper.
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I had a similar situation happen to me when I was a Drill Sergeant. First thing is do not allow your Soldiers to loose it over this as this is what the PVT wants you to do. Next is it must be handled immediately and I recommend telling the PVT's Team Leader and him stand fast while everyone else falls out. Once it is only the PVT, his Team Leader and you explain to the PVT in very clear forceful (try not to yell) language what his options are
1. Execute the orders given to him in a timely manner to standard.
Or
2. Explain you will write a counseling statement recommending him for disrespect to a Non-Commissioned Officer, failure to follow an order and even insubordination.
If the PVT chooses 1 then do some research find out what the problem is and have a talk with him about how lucky he is and he won't be lucky a second time. If he chooses 2 then go to your Playoon Sergeant find out his recommendation (for me it would be UCMJ) and then execute the counseling and corrective training.
1. Execute the orders given to him in a timely manner to standard.
Or
2. Explain you will write a counseling statement recommending him for disrespect to a Non-Commissioned Officer, failure to follow an order and even insubordination.
If the PVT chooses 1 then do some research find out what the problem is and have a talk with him about how lucky he is and he won't be lucky a second time. If he chooses 2 then go to your Playoon Sergeant find out his recommendation (for me it would be UCMJ) and then execute the counseling and corrective training.
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Walk the troop away from his peers, but keep him in view. Allow the kid to explain his actions to you out of earshot of the others. If, like a few of the others have suggested, and there is an emotional reason show compassion for the troop and offer the correct assistance. If the kid is just being a "Millennial", smoke his ass in view of his peers!
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Well i would pull him off to the side away from everyone, and ask him what is malfunction was? There could be something serious bothering him. If you find he has nothing bothering him then it punishment time! If there is something bothering him, lets see if we can help. He must know that no matter what his insubordination will not be tolerated!
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I use the old fan room counseling bit. I was Navy and think the old school ways need to be brought back.
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there is not enough information here to be useful. We need to know if there is any other issues prior to this particular scenario. The real answer is there are many ways for the NCO to react and show his leadership to the others present.
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