Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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Verbal tirade. Disobey an order? Disrespect an NCO? Undermine command authority? In the presence of the unit? In full view of the entire unit? The entire combat unit? Yeah. Go R. Lee Ermey on his ass. No physical contact, but unload with every torturous 18inch gun in your verbal battery all at once, everything, direct questioning with only yes/no sergeant direct answers, tie the kid up in a nice little sarcastic military logic knot. If he hangs, if he goes through it, in the presence of the unit he just challenged you in front of, if he cooperates, his body language will let you know precisely when you can take your foot off the gas. Then you ease up and go back to pretending he didn't do it, fire-and-forget, no counseling, no paperwork, no one up the chain needs to know anything because it was dealt with instantly, on the spot, and rectified. If, however, his body language indicates anything else other than instant obedience to orders and a desire to train and tend toward a high degree of unit integrity, then you verbally destroy him, then ostracize him. No normalcy, no cliques are to accept him, extra menial duties, extra firewatches, the entire unit should shun him until he cools off and asks the only logical question that should permeate his untrained brain housing group: why me? And the entire unit should be prepared, whether in agreement about this particular approach or not, to back this NCO up by saying "Because you disrespected the Sergeant, you fool." Shortly after the young lad hears these words, the unit should receive some subtle signal to ease the social pressure being brought to bear, and this sergeant would make a deliberate effort to have another series of tasks to hand out, and guess who gets an assignment? Professionally, no hard feelings, and the thing you don't tell him is we've been through this, this is your only second chance. It's here are your duties, any questions? Still no paper. Still no involvement of any commissioned- or warrant-type folks. Just an NCO training America's finest. If the kid doesn't get it, then he's untrainable, paper him for every mistake, flush him to the police shed and waste no school boat spaces and no more taxpayer training dollars on him at any time until he EASs and he goes on individual duty.
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If a Soldier less than 6 months removed from indoctrination speaks openly like this? Jeez...
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I Don t know what you can do now days the hole platoon would get a little extra work out. And know to never question a lawfully order again. Pretty sure that would handle it.. if it didn't there's more extra work!!
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E2 has a major malfunction if he was my marine he would drop give me 50 then his squad leader would be informed to get his man squared away and to teach his man how to tactfully bring up his problems,sergeant should also brush up on his leadership skills pass them on to his nco's !
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You do as ordered..like yesterday. You make an example out of Pvt. Shit bird. Make damn sure everyone knows you're in charge and won't have your orders disobeyed
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Back between 66-70 I would guantee that he do the job in front of the 1st Div at quarters
If he complied fine if he continued being disrespectful we sent that person Mess cooking
Seemed to work all the time
If he complied fine if he continued being disrespectful we sent that person Mess cooking
Seemed to work all the time
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When I was a E-5 I had a E3 that refuse to do what he was suppose to do I followed the instuction on how to handle it & went by the book Couple days Later I come back to work I am on report & a capt mast the kid call his parents & they got a hold of someone & the Navy at capt Mast the capt told me that I was 100% right but due to the people that was on his back he had to do something I got a subpending bust for six months
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If this is in basic, reinforce teamwork and smoke the group. After a few times of that, everyone will get tired of getting smoked for one shitbag and the problem will solve itself. If this is at the unit, I'd pull his chain into the office and inform them that it had better not happen again or his shit is in the wind.
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