Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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First I will set him straight and then he will be written up with a recommendation for UCMJ, for disobey a law order and disrispect!
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You will do it and do it now and like it! Because you were given a. Order now follow it
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There's a saying " kill em with the pen" keep counseling him and if he wants to stay he will change...if not, let him out
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I have him assume the proper position of Parade Rest. Explain to him he has crossed the line into being disrespectful and he will receive a counseling statement and he will be recommended for FAILURE TO FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS, DISRESPECT TO AN NCO, FAILURE TO PERFORM HIS DUTIES. Then I will tell him his assignment again and if he refuses his counseling statement will reflect he was given a second chance to comply and he failed to follow instructions for the second time as well as his actions are leading toward trying to have others follow his acts of insubordination
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Just start pushing, bends and mother f****** thrust or go out to the back 40 and police your own.
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Tell him that if he doesn't like it then he can change the policy when he out ranks me, and to do it anyway. Then tell him that if he doesn't do as I have instructed him, that he will be reporting to me in front of the First Sergeant.
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Ask him to correctly breaks ranks and get the fuck out of my army...send him str8 to platoon srg for immediate discharge....because if he acts like this in the states...what u think he gonna do over seas
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I will ensure to have that Soldier standfast, after finishing out what is needed to have the rest of my troops actively engaged I will return to the situation at hand with such Soldier. I will first start by inquiring if the SM had anything pressing going on that the leadership (myself) isn't aware of, whether it be financial, work related, home, substance abuse, alcoholic, etc. If it is such a situation where he/she does, I will ensure to handle it at the same time also ensuring the SM that his/her actions doesn't go unpunished...engage the SM with such a corrective action that he/she won't forget to loose their military bearing again.
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I thankfully only had one instance they got close to this and it was after I had plenty of time in leadership positions.
While underway my partner (undesignated AN) and I were roving the ship and came across a deck seaman chipping paint in a p-way. We always carried ear pro on us and put ours in as we needed to pass through the space. As we did, I noticed the seaman didn't have any ear pro at all, at least he had safety glasses. I tap him on the shoulder as we pass by and signal that he needs plugs or muffs while chipping. He half nods and mouths "whatever ". My partner and I continue on to ththe hangar bay door and wait. My partner steps through and I continue to watch said seaman. He looks up at me and I motion again for him to get hearing protection, he just goes back to chipping. Fast forward, my partner takes some foamies to the kid who motions "no thanks" an we escort the kid to the hangar bay. I'm talking to him and he's just bobbling around looking at the bulkheads, the deck, everywhere except at me. So I brought him back to boot. Back to attention, yes Petty Officer, no Petty Officer, that stuff. We taught him the rank structure again; the chain of command; lawful orders. After that was done, we went and had a friendly chat with this kids LPO, and then the ship She safety LCPO. We brought the entire ship down on this kid. I saw him two weeks later mustering with the restricted sailors for extra duty.
While underway my partner (undesignated AN) and I were roving the ship and came across a deck seaman chipping paint in a p-way. We always carried ear pro on us and put ours in as we needed to pass through the space. As we did, I noticed the seaman didn't have any ear pro at all, at least he had safety glasses. I tap him on the shoulder as we pass by and signal that he needs plugs or muffs while chipping. He half nods and mouths "whatever ". My partner and I continue on to ththe hangar bay door and wait. My partner steps through and I continue to watch said seaman. He looks up at me and I motion again for him to get hearing protection, he just goes back to chipping. Fast forward, my partner takes some foamies to the kid who motions "no thanks" an we escort the kid to the hangar bay. I'm talking to him and he's just bobbling around looking at the bulkheads, the deck, everywhere except at me. So I brought him back to boot. Back to attention, yes Petty Officer, no Petty Officer, that stuff. We taught him the rank structure again; the chain of command; lawful orders. After that was done, we went and had a friendly chat with this kids LPO, and then the ship She safety LCPO. We brought the entire ship down on this kid. I saw him two weeks later mustering with the restricted sailors for extra duty.
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Have him push the pavement until he can't no more than have him do flutter kicks til he can't then give him latrine duty on top of that KP and to top off have mop and buff barracks floor
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As a Platoon Leader, I often let my Sergeant handle the small stuff. He spoke loud and thunderously. When it was my turn, I took them aside and whispered to them. If you wish to act like a Private, I can certainly arrange it. Do your job.
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I would whisper in their ear of the consequences if they do not do it. Now it's a comment just between me and that individual.
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MSgt Terry Dorsey
I would take him out of ranks and repot him to my Commander for insubordination and article 15.
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If my other soldiers didn't already didn't correct him I would instantly pull him into the treeline and offer him a blank 4856 or a bottle of water and make him choose. Or we can make it old school and do some close door counseling.
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SGT Randy Lavasseur
The sign of early leadership if you are doing the right thing your other soldiers should dig in his ass. You still have to stack on tho. Make them feel they are not on the team and make that top priority on their mind. Reverse psychology
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Don't they go to the brig for refusing orders? I'm just a civilian, but it seems to me that such a break down in discipline will get other soldiers killed in battle. Whatever the E5 decides to do, I hope it's harsh.
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in today's army military the correct response would be something to the affect of I gave you an order and you will execute. Then a trip to your supervisor and have discussion with said soldier (assuming you are right)the next higher NCO would hear both sides and explain what is going to occur. Usually that is either, look knuckle head you're in the military execute or you can grandstand and I'll recommend you for UCMJ. Then you get the joy of hoping your commander supports NCOs and doesn't buy the excuse of the insubordination being someone else's fault. As combat arms soldier this didn't happen often and usually the threat of taking free time to ensure the issues were properly addressed by corrective training conducted by me after 1800 or UCMJ was enough. The best way to get compliance is to take time or money, and as an NCO (depending on your command group) time is something NCOs control. As an E5 you can expect to get grown up kids trying to push their boundaries. I would encourage quick action as once you get a person like that in your unit, if you can't get them to do anything, or they refuse to be useful it will cause morale issues when other people have to work harder to compensate for the weakest link.
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Use positive criticism for the lower ranking individual. Assure that he/she understands what is expected of them is not a burden but a detail of learning and knowledge.
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I would calmly give him a page 11 counseling and then e definitely would be pulling duty for a week in the common area; so everybody could see that mouthing off doesn't pay!
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This happened to me. E2 tells me she didn't join the Navy to clean floors. She learned about sweeping parking lot with a toithbrush.
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I'd have to agree with GySgt Pepper, shit rolls down hill and you have to trust in the chain of coomand
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After I'm done with Him, He would be able to join the Olympic Track Team!!!!
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As an E-3 who screwed up more than once never did I lose my Military bearing. Do as you are told and suck it up. crap rolls down hill and as the bottom man you get what you get and thats the end of it. I believe a extra Military instruction is immediately in demand
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Well I served before all the political correctness crap, personally I would deal with it the way I was dealt with. I would not so politely take him and 9 of his buddies to the sand box and have him thrash the nine till they puke. After what his peers do to him there will be alot more respect shown to higher rank structure.
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I told anyone to take out the trash he said whiny I grabbed him by the throat and said because I f****** told you to
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I cant speak for any service but my beloved Marine Corps, good luck Pfc. Yur gonna need it!! Bwahahaha!!!
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Find the worst job I can possibly think of and give him the choice of taking it from me or getting written up and getting that job for a week from the Chief or First Sergeant. If it went to our Commander, he would be an E1
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Chain of command. This isn't Walmart. Might seem simple to a civilian. Orders are given. Orders are followed. In Garrison or In Combat. Doesn't make a difference. Never had any reason to get physical unless in defense. Words have power just like muscles. If that were me, that Pvt. would have been doing front, back, go's for days! And then he would have still completed his task given. Period!
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The lack of overall leadership is evident by the observation how many of the formation maintains the order of "ATTENTION". I observe a failing military leadership scenario...in that the graphic pic indicates a DOD training environment (necks all over the place/sloppy appearance/Tennis shoes,lines on the deck, & squad bay atmosphere). If a combat situation...it is obvious the E2 not impressed by the fake "Senior E5" chop....
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You have him drop and give you 50 push-ups and when he is done inform him he has extra duty for the next week. After the formation is dismissed (after he is done the 50 push-ups) take him into your office and find out what is malfunction is
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I had a female in the bunk in basic next to me mouth off then tried to go over the Sgt head. Let's just say she was never touched physically but she ended up getting a ticket home less than half way through
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Give him 1 week of training to remind him that insubordination can mess your life up and exta duty.
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Think I'd art 15 and put him on the streets...no room for that in military.
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As a Cpl I chew him out in from of everyone to show I am not playing around. And, not to question my authority. But if the problem consist than it would involve, paper work or NJP. But, that will always be the last option. No one deserves to lose money. I grew up in the Old Corps where people played games with you before, you got written up.
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I would give him a swirly but since there's laws saying you can't really haze them I mean it's war you know what I'm saying u can navy that to make him look prettier
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I had the E-2 stand off to the side while I finished handing out the rest of the assignments & then dismissed everyone else. I gave the E-2 a chance to explain his actions, then I gave him a talking to that showed him the error of his way!
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Well I was in during the seventies and at that time if you had insubordination as described above you would take the private for a private walk behind the barracks.... and he would return to formation with a whole new Outlook
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Continue to hand out work assignments. Release the rest and have him stand fast. If you deal with him right then he gets the reaction he wants from you and the rest of the platoon.
Tell him the he is very funny but you will inform the rest of the platoon that due to his actions they will due extra duty each day untill his attitude has changed. When he ask why just smile and tell him to get to work. Let the platoon fix his attitude!!!
Tell him the he is very funny but you will inform the rest of the platoon that due to his actions they will due extra duty each day untill his attitude has changed. When he ask why just smile and tell him to get to work. Let the platoon fix his attitude!!!
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I'd smoke him right there then verbally abuse him and if he doesn't get the point send him to see the platoon sergeant which in my days would have a visit to the First Sergeant and NOBODY wanted that!
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I'd probably drop him so fast, that he wouldn't have enough time to think about his next move. Gauretee he'd think twice before opening his pie hole the next time
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Start pushing until you realize this ain't your mom's house. Welcome to the military.
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The sergeant has a different problem by as been in setting the tone for this to happen in the first place. That private his unit for a few months and shoots his mouth off like that? The relationship between the sergeant and the private is destroyed, but the biggest challenge is the unit under the sergeant's charge.
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What the (insert rank) meant to say was .....I'll get right on that....it just came out wrong. Isn't that right (insert name and rank) who now has latrine orderly after shift for two weeks. I see your (insert number of stripes) and I raise you (insert number of your stripes) are we playing poker? Would you like to call? Because the next sequence of events sounds like this.....But Officer, but judge, but warden! Ante-up hero!
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PFC dumb ass, you will not only clean the shit house today, but also tomorrow, and the day after that and the day after that, and just for shits and giggles, PFC dumb ass you will continue to clean the shit house everyday after that until the day arises that you have become so sufficient at cleaning the shit house that you are able to clean up after your battle buddies prior to their individual need to sit and shit on a daily basis,
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