Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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This would depend,on weather this person was part of permanent cadre, or he was under my command as a trainee..How I would react.In both cases,I would be hard pressed not to react with force.althought I know hands on would be wrong and illegal.??
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What I would do in the seventies and what I would do today are two totally different answers. The reality is your actions depend on what the command expectations are for insubordination to an NCO.
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I would simply tell them that they have failed at the art of communication and that he/she will not speak to me as such and an order was given. I will now contact my supervisor for review and they can return to their barracks until told to leave that area of face incarceration for failure to listen to a direct order.
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Knowing that smacking the dog-shit out of him is not allowed any longer, I would find some extra duty for all of his shipmates say for the next week, or until his shipmates convinced him to change his ways. When I retired back in 94, the dirtbag would have had an upclose and personal session with me.
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For starters let me say that my Marine Corps grunt mind CAN'T even imagine something like this to happen, and to bring it up for discussion and opinions! It's hard for me to comprehend that level of 1)Disrespect especially to that degree and telling him to find someone else!?!
2)Disobeying a lawful order from an NCO.
This isn't a babysitter "asking you to take out the trash"!!! This a superior giving an "ORDER" to carry out certain tasks. End of story. End of debate. Hello UCMJ!!!
The lame "having a bad day or bad news from home" does allow for this behavior active duty means 24/7 365. "Mommy" coddling is BS in the military. If these kinds of situations happen in the Army,Navy,AF,CG and even the Corps than they have FAILED in producing properly trained and disciplined military personnel.
Tact is important BUT this is an extreme situation that requires very extreme measures for these reasons
1)Such behavior is NEVER acceptable and will ALWAYS be dealt with quickly and firmly
2)The other personnel get a clear message as to the consequences of such behavior.
It is also important to have an All Hands meeting to stress that certain behaviors are never acceptable or tolerated.
It's not acceptable behavior from my children, and it DEFINITELY isn't acceptable in the military.
Military codes and qualities are Honor,Discipline,Duty. TOLERANCE IS NOT ONE OF THEM!!!
Are they spoiled children or are they Professional Military Personnel under contractual obligation to do what they're ordered to do!!??!!
2)Disobeying a lawful order from an NCO.
This isn't a babysitter "asking you to take out the trash"!!! This a superior giving an "ORDER" to carry out certain tasks. End of story. End of debate. Hello UCMJ!!!
The lame "having a bad day or bad news from home" does allow for this behavior active duty means 24/7 365. "Mommy" coddling is BS in the military. If these kinds of situations happen in the Army,Navy,AF,CG and even the Corps than they have FAILED in producing properly trained and disciplined military personnel.
Tact is important BUT this is an extreme situation that requires very extreme measures for these reasons
1)Such behavior is NEVER acceptable and will ALWAYS be dealt with quickly and firmly
2)The other personnel get a clear message as to the consequences of such behavior.
It is also important to have an All Hands meeting to stress that certain behaviors are never acceptable or tolerated.
It's not acceptable behavior from my children, and it DEFINITELY isn't acceptable in the military.
Military codes and qualities are Honor,Discipline,Duty. TOLERANCE IS NOT ONE OF THEM!!!
Are they spoiled children or are they Professional Military Personnel under contractual obligation to do what they're ordered to do!!??!!
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Have everyone in there plank position, and have him explain his self, if you can't get no where get out there ruck sacks and ready a road March
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Is there a opportunity to explain insubordination in combat when the heat is on ! No! Train as you fight! I ain't trying to write no counseling while the mortar rounds coming in
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There's no chance to explain insubordination!! Its move out and draw fire or suffer the consequences! Stop weakening the ranks
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I'd dismiss the troops and have the malcontent get aquainted with up downs and some distance running until he dropped followed by a great motivational speech and then he would do the job that he was instructed to do the first time. Followed by a weekend on base cleaning toilets and trash cans.
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I would first have a private come to Jesus meeting with the young man and see if he might be willing to rethink his position. If that didn't inspire him I think maybe three days bread and water might.
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