Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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let him wash pots and pans, police the grounds, or sit it out awaiting later counciling up to an art 15
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It's rare when I need to make an on the spot correction, however I try to practice escalation of force when doing so. Some troops legitimately don't know they're jacked up, others want to test boundaries, and some flat out don't care. A one size fits all approach typically does not yield the best results.
With that said, if I found out this was going on in my formation I would be livid. He would be an E1 as soon as I could get the paperwork through. I completely understand trying to find out what personal issues are behind their behavior, but there also needs to be consequences for blatant insubordination.
With that said, if I found out this was going on in my formation I would be livid. He would be an E1 as soon as I could get the paperwork through. I completely understand trying to find out what personal issues are behind their behavior, but there also needs to be consequences for blatant insubordination.
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I would tell him to run to a tree and tell the tree that he's a dumbass. Then I would make him do 5 five pushups. That's right. Just five pushups. For FIVE MINUTES. A set of five pushups lasting 5 minutes....EVERY TEN MINUTES.
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Dismiss everyone besides the PFC who opened his mouth then once all others have been dismissed the Sgt x needs to show this PFC what respect for a higher rank means when an NCO tells you to do something you do it you don't ask questions and you sure in the hell don't mouth off to them hell they teach you that during in processing at basic before your drill Sgt even gets you
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Instantly up in their face..forcefully explaining what orders are...order them down for 50 push-ups. While they were doing the push-ups, I would remind the rest of the barracks as to the consequences of disobeying a direct order. Then they would do the task that they were ordered to do in the first place.
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Give a directive order for the non military attitude e2 to fulfill his obligation to the company , counceling statement e2 and sign .
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I am a civilian but have had leadership positions all my life - this actually happened to me. I asked all personnel to give me the room while I spoke with the offenders immediate superior and the insubordinate. I told his immediate superior we have obviously failed in management and he and I would correct this failure - there is no excuse for having a subordinate failing to respect our authority. Then I addressed the insubordinate: He will comply with any reasonable request and he would face disciplinary action consistent with corporate policy. Any future insubordination would result in immediate termination. The director in my area backed me 100% and the individual was demoted and put on probation - he also got all the shit jobs for the next 6 months and eventually quit.
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FLASH BACK 43 YEARS AGO FOR ME, 1 BN ALPHA CO PLATOON 115....oooo rah Semper Fi
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