Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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Handle it outside. Away from formation. Stand fast after formation. Once in private, ensure water source is available. Commence skill based physical training(i.e. IMT, high/low crawl etc) all the while delivering verbal explanation of what team work means to the unit and what it should mean to the individual. Recover on a good note. Sease any further corrective action unless needed. Maintain individual on "detail" list for extended period of time if needed. If problem continues, attempt as many efforts avoiding paper trail but not to the point where it's doing more harm than good. All at leaders discression coupled with case by case basis.
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It happened in my basic flight. The TI dumped on the whole flight and told us to deal with it. Just don't go too far.
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Remind E2 that he is property of The United States of America and going forward this will be HIS duty until he has perfected it. Make it known a fixed eye will be upon him whilst doing this duty. After a few weeks of this, give some praise as his work ethic for said duty should be perfected. Then, give him tougher duty and make the example for all to see
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First, sit the individual down in private. 2nd, inform him/her of the repercussions of not following a legal order from a superior officer. 3rd, if he/she still refuses the order, send to X.O.I. for referral to Captain's mast or other disciplinary action.
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Pull him aside for a"private" counselling session. Send him to Captain's Mast for disobeying a direct order.
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PT him/her, until they puke. Then, they clean up the puke. Repeat. Two or three days should do it.
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At bootcamp, "hazing" fixed the problem really quick. It's a shame you can't fix the ones that need fixing, with the most effective way anymore.
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Respond by turning the formation over to your Next in line, have Mr. Mouth follow you to your office. Commence to asking him if everything is alright with him. If yes, tell him to come to attention and advise him if he ever speaks to you like that again in formation he will wish he hadn't. If there is a problem (personal/financial, etc.), explain to him that you're on his side and that you are there to help him. THEN explain to him how counterproductive it is to undermine your authority in formation. Management ain't easy!
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Grab his little smart ass pull him forward so he is front of everyone to be an example and ask him if he is ready for his ass kicking for insubordination or would he prefer to change his answer. There has to be complete authority in the chain of command both on base and in the field. If the lower rank had a problem with the assignment he should have assessed it in private and respectfully with his superior.
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He'd better be sick with food poisoning or something. If not he'd be disciplined after he finished doing what I said. I refused to go out to fix a plane one day. I never refused even when I know I did most of the work all week damn it! Anyway, I was ordered on the truck I got on when I got to the plane I could barely get up. The dumb ass kept ordering me to get out he thought I was playing around but he was still pissed. He sent someone out on the job and went back to the shop all ready to write me up. I couldn't care. We got back to the shop I couldn't get up. He's still yelling like a fool. Some of the guys help me off the truck and I spit up like you wouldn't believe and I literally walk a few steps and pass out. I remember them picking me up in a chair and wheeling me to a car and taking me to the clinic (there was no hospital in that base). I thought I was going to die. Well, he believed me then and someone had a mess to clean up. Next couple of days he's apologizing like crazy.
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Being a fair nco I am assuming that they don't have a legitimate gripe.....keep in mind that it would have been handled differently in the old days.....today's army would have me writing out paperwork under the ucmj. Possibly extra duty. Loss of pay. I guess the extent would depend on.....how the soldier normally acts and did he pull this in front of other soldiers.
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