Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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You report him and start disciplinary action. The fact pattern is one of blatant insubordination.
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I'd of pt'd him till he died. Furthermore, he'd of been getting the lowest dirt job I could find, and I'd also look into a demotion.
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Dismiss formation except for problem children. March insubordinates to private office and have "come to Jesus" conversation.
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Problem has already been going on way to long. Back in the day a NCO would have had a E-3 take care of it at the bar or out on the town.
Now that it's escalated this far in today's environment, it's a matter of a lot of shining brass, boots, and squaring away the squad Bay and zero liberty.
Now that it's escalated this far in today's environment, it's a matter of a lot of shining brass, boots, and squaring away the squad Bay and zero liberty.
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I will have the PV2 and the squad leader stand by and release the rest of the PLT. And let the PV2 know that they do have a choice in the matter they will do the job that they were told to do. Look at the squad LDR and tell them that I want a counseling statement by lunch time on my desk and have the Soldier report to me for another one for them to sign. Have corrective training done to the Soldier this way they will know that when they are told to do something they are expected to do it without any questions unless it is putting someone's life in danger. If the behavior continues UCMJ actions will be followed. Soldiers now a days believe they everything should be explained to them as to why we need them to do things if they don't want to don't things they don't think they should do it it's that kind of thinking that is going to get them or someone else hurt or killed in a combat situation. They are grown adults they signed on the dotted line you are a private you don't get a choice to ask questions to do what you are told.
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Handle it outside. Away from formation. Stand fast after formation. Once in private, ensure water source is available. Commence skill based physical training(i.e. IMT, high/low crawl etc) all the while delivering verbal explanation of what team work means to the unit and what it should mean to the individual. Recover on a good note. Sease any further corrective action unless needed. Maintain individual on "detail" list for extended period of time if needed. If problem continues, attempt as many efforts avoiding paper trail but not to the point where it's doing more harm than good. All at leaders discression coupled with case by case basis.
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It happened in my basic flight. The TI dumped on the whole flight and told us to deal with it. Just don't go too far.
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Remind E2 that he is property of The United States of America and going forward this will be HIS duty until he has perfected it. Make it known a fixed eye will be upon him whilst doing this duty. After a few weeks of this, give some praise as his work ethic for said duty should be perfected. Then, give him tougher duty and make the example for all to see
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First, sit the individual down in private. 2nd, inform him/her of the repercussions of not following a legal order from a superior officer. 3rd, if he/she still refuses the order, send to X.O.I. for referral to Captain's mast or other disciplinary action.
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Pull him aside for a"private" counselling session. Send him to Captain's Mast for disobeying a direct order.
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PT him/her, until they puke. Then, they clean up the puke. Repeat. Two or three days should do it.
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