Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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i don't believe I asked what he wanted to do. He will do it or face consequences! Stand your command.
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If you are in the Marines, that is considered a direct order. Follow it or suffer the repercussions. But if you are in the guard or army, you must sit and counsel him and give him another chance.....poor me. In the old core use descussed it quickly out back and they see it your way
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Have him and his immediate supervisor stand-by until all other assignments are handed out, then have the two waiting made aware of the infraction of the Pvt, and that his disobedience, and insubordination will not be tolerated, and the assignment will be completed. If the actions are repeated, the matter will be referred up the chain for disciplinary action, i.e. Article 15, or worse
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Tell him to get ready to see the old man. Will recommend 30 days restriction, 30 days extra duty.
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Praise in public, Reprimand in private.
Make this an issue that is TO BE DETERMINED.
Make sure the subservient KNOW this.
Follow through in a VERY timely fashion.
Make this an issue that is TO BE DETERMINED.
Make sure the subservient KNOW this.
Follow through in a VERY timely fashion.
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Post the rest of your command. Hold the dipstick until others have go on to their assignments. Inform him that he is expected to obey a lawful command and that nothing else is acceptable. And that refusing to obey a lawful order will shorten his military carer to a few more miserable weeks. If that is what he wants, he can be accommodated, else get his butt out and do his assignment.
Then look at what made him think he can get away with his behavior, and correct it fast.
Then look at what made him think he can get away with his behavior, and correct it fast.
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I don't know what years you did service but in my day PFC would be looking up from the ground on his back,LEARN RESPECT THE HARD WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Call to office for talk about insubordination charges. Or derolection of duty
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I would pick the largest guy in the room and tell him that along with his assignment, he will also do the E2's assignment. The E2 would have 30 seconds to decide if he still wants to avoid his assignment.
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I'd take him or her aside and explain real clearly what the "Chain of Command" is and make sure he or her understood where it was they fit in. And if it were to continue then yes it would then have to go into the disciplinary process. There is absolutely no room for insubordination with in the ranks.
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im still a pfc but i have enough sense not to mouth off to my nco. i know a few guys and i agree that we need to bring back a few old practices to teach idiots like this a lesson. i know a few lower enlisted that do this and ncos can only write them up. if this were the old days he would have been knocked out. they would have physically dropped him and made him push until they got bored from what i have been told. but this private needs to learn not to mouth off and do as he is told. you are his superior he has no choice unless it is completely unreasonable.
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Make everyone do it because the snowflake refused. His constituents will make their displeasure known
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"Little Danny Dufflebag" took an oath to obey the orders of those appointed over him, refresh his memory of this LOUD and CLEAR. An L.O.R for failure to obey orders/disrespect for authority. Whatever task he refused to perform, make it clear that would be his daily assignment until further notice. His junior leaders (squad leaders etc.) bear some responsibility in this. As a Military Training Instructor, I've had Dorm Chiefs and Squad Leaders that were very effective in getting the message across to Danny Dufflebag. I know correctional custody is no longer used, but it WORKED!! If he continues to refuse to follow instructions, my next move would be for correctional custody.
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A couple of days in the brig should change his attitude. For not obeying a direct order!
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Discipline all troops but the dipshit. Let them take care of that problem real fast and turn him around completely. People do slip in showers.
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Turn to the rest of the formation. Inform them that they win as a team or they loose as a team. All privileges are denied until such time as they become a properly functioning unit. Two weeks max to iron the problems out as a unit. After that point squad leaders reappointed and and discipline handed out. If you can't make here as a properly functioning unit you will likely fail and die on your first mission. Fallout!
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Help you succeed or fail, I'm here for either one, your choice fuckface
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