Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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I know as an E-1 I don't have much to say based on experience on this matter but why disrespect an NCO like this? There is no room for such insubordination in this Army. It does anger me that soldiers who are just a rank or two higher than I am think it's okay to just do whatever they want and say what they want to whoever. Show some respect to these men and women who outrank you they earned their rank so they can lead you to earn your own double chevron or higher.
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This is a tough decision many leaders must handle correctly. First thing first, take control of the situation and control your emotions. Leaders must be able to handle difficult while also challenging situations like this. Next thing is have him stand at parade rest while talking with him. Explain to him the military bearing he lacks and talk with him calmly. This SM may be going through something. So next ask him is everything ok at home, does he need assistance, or need to speak with any service that can better help his situation. This Soldier may be going through a rough time, so firing back under emotions because a Private disrespected you may not be the most positive feedback. After you get the Soldier help right then and there, next explain to him how his actions were completely disrespectful and will not be tolerated. So Counsel this SM and let him know that for every action, there is a reaction; whether positive and/or Negative. In this case, disrespecting a superior in front of a formation shows a lack of discipline and military bearing. For the Plan of action, assuming your Commander was there and/or Platoon Leader At the formation, give them your recommendation as commanders are only authorized to punish Soldiers NOT NCOs.
Whether this Soldier was high speed, excelling, squared away, or however you want to call it. He was a good Soldier up until that point. These actions should never be tolerated nor ignored or you're creating a new standard for your Soldiers to emulate. Get this SM help immediately as needed, however, that recommendation IAW UCMJ should be followed up immediately as well. The standard is the standard and no one is waived from following it. This is just my position on the situation.
Whether this Soldier was high speed, excelling, squared away, or however you want to call it. He was a good Soldier up until that point. These actions should never be tolerated nor ignored or you're creating a new standard for your Soldiers to emulate. Get this SM help immediately as needed, however, that recommendation IAW UCMJ should be followed up immediately as well. The standard is the standard and no one is waived from following it. This is just my position on the situation.
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SFC Corrie Meade
that's why the army is in the shape it is today. the hell with explaining to him what he did wrong, he learned common military respect in basic. he wants the glory of looking big and bad in formation, you handle it right then and there, you squash it and make an example out of him for his buddies
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SSG Timothy McBroom
Evidently the young dumb ass has lost his frickin mind and needs help remembering why his head is separating his ears. JR would be beating his face till his buddies are tired and then his team leader would have some fun time with him on the PT field doing some Grass Drill, and just so you all don't think I'm devoting all my time to disciplining this young trooper by himself, his whole platoon can join in the fun. Later that evening they can all sit around the day room and swap stories after they beat him like a red headed stepchild.
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I would counsel the E2 privately and explain the consequences of disobedience. If he still refuses, I would have no choice of charging him with an Article 15 for insubordination.
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SMSgt Donald Burrows
I actually had this happen to me as an E6 Team Chief. I had a 6 man team at a small radar station reconfiguring an entire GATR site. We were behind and I decided that the entire team (including me) would return to the site and work until 2300. Two of my team (an E5 and an E3) informed me that they had worked enough for the day and were going fishing. I have them a direct order to report to the site at 1900 and assumed they would show up. Neither of them had ever given me any problems. When they didn't show, I was livid, to say the least. We worked until 2300 and I went to bed.
At 0600 the next morning, my phone rang. It was the Base Commander asking me if I was aware that the vehicle assigned to me was found outside my quarters st 0330, unsecured, windows all opened, and with 18 empty beer cans in the gov't vehicle. Obviously, I was not, and I mad that clear. The Base Commander, a Mustang Captain, said that he didn't think I was, and he told me to resolve the situation. Thank God he was a good guy.
I called the individuals into my room and we had a "come to Jesus meeting". I sent them to the motor pool to detail the vehicle and then report to me at the work site when they were done. Then I called my Chief to inform him that I was sending the two individuals home and I asked if he could send me two replacements. He had no one available and told me that he would support any decision I made. I knew that we could not finish the job on time if I was two people down.
When my errant airmen returned, we had another meeting, where I explained to them, in no uncertain terms,how much trouble they were in. They could both be court martialed for any of several offenses that would land them both in Leavenworth. I think this made an impression on them, because when I told them that if they caused even one more problem, I would turn them over to the security police for action. I think the Base Commander liked my solution, because he told me that's what he would have done, since the mission came first. They were model troops for the remainder of our TDY and we completed the project on time, with no exceptions.
When we returned to home station, I had a long discussion with my Chief about what kind of discipline they should receive. The E5 had just been promoted days prior to the TDY and Chief decided not to give him an Art15, instead, the Sargeant was restricted to Base for a year, which meant he could not go on any more TDYs (we all looked forward to TDY,s). The E3 received an Art15 and became an E2. I know. I would have done just the opposite, but that's how the Chief decided to handle it. If you have ever been in the Air Force, you know the Chief's Rules:
1. The Chief is always right.
2. Refer to Rule 1.
At 0600 the next morning, my phone rang. It was the Base Commander asking me if I was aware that the vehicle assigned to me was found outside my quarters st 0330, unsecured, windows all opened, and with 18 empty beer cans in the gov't vehicle. Obviously, I was not, and I mad that clear. The Base Commander, a Mustang Captain, said that he didn't think I was, and he told me to resolve the situation. Thank God he was a good guy.
I called the individuals into my room and we had a "come to Jesus meeting". I sent them to the motor pool to detail the vehicle and then report to me at the work site when they were done. Then I called my Chief to inform him that I was sending the two individuals home and I asked if he could send me two replacements. He had no one available and told me that he would support any decision I made. I knew that we could not finish the job on time if I was two people down.
When my errant airmen returned, we had another meeting, where I explained to them, in no uncertain terms,how much trouble they were in. They could both be court martialed for any of several offenses that would land them both in Leavenworth. I think this made an impression on them, because when I told them that if they caused even one more problem, I would turn them over to the security police for action. I think the Base Commander liked my solution, because he told me that's what he would have done, since the mission came first. They were model troops for the remainder of our TDY and we completed the project on time, with no exceptions.
When we returned to home station, I had a long discussion with my Chief about what kind of discipline they should receive. The E5 had just been promoted days prior to the TDY and Chief decided not to give him an Art15, instead, the Sargeant was restricted to Base for a year, which meant he could not go on any more TDYs (we all looked forward to TDY,s). The E3 received an Art15 and became an E2. I know. I would have done just the opposite, but that's how the Chief decided to handle it. If you have ever been in the Air Force, you know the Chief's Rules:
1. The Chief is always right.
2. Refer to Rule 1.
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Time to go drill instructor close. This troop needs an attitude change. I would inform him that he is to report to the 1St Sgt immediately, I would escort him if needed.
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I would pull them out of rank and file and pull him in to the LCPO's office giving him a chance to explain why he is in defiance, then tell him he is getting extra military instruction for disobeying a lawful order according to the UCMJ.
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I would get it back from the soldier he handed the assignment to and dare him without speaking to challenge my authority again
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In my time (1969) there would have been an introduction into language only known to DI's, a world record set in pushing the Earth away, along with China finally being reached via a 6x6x unlimited. But, if ya got to post this question something is really f....d up now. Never saw the problem at Ft. Bragg or Ft. Eustis. Duty, Honor, Country and mail call.
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No room for disrespect! I would tell him to do the job he was ordered to do. And let him know if he wanted to continue to refuse, it could be a permanent job for a set period of time.... at a later time, approach him 1 on 1 and find out the reason for this action. If there's a legitimate reason I would work with him. If he's just a stubborn ass, I'd chew him up.
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