Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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I have been out for awhile but I heard a rumor that new recruits in basic are given red cards for stress and if the stress level get to much for them to wave said card and the DI's have to back off and let said recruit alone until they are no longer stressed. this scenario could be a aftermath of that if the rumor is correct. And after reading some of the responses I would just dredge up a couple of old punishments that my DI gave out in basic, grass drills for said Pvt2 until I got tired, had the rest of the rest of the platoon/squad/fireteam go about their assigned tasks
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Well I went to Parris Island in 2007 and I promise you this would never happen anyways.. i went to Iraq with Sgt. Miller in the picture and I assure you he was my squad leader and got nothing but respect and would beat your ass if you thought about telling him to shove it..
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An Ass chewing in in order at this point as well as this shit birds direct PO / Supervisor. If no result is produced, article 15.
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I would reissue the order. If refusal again, I would send the closet soldier by the door to get another Drill Instructor or Officer if I am by myself. I would start ordering this Private to do physical exercise right there while giving the Soldier an earful directly in front of the other Soldiers. Once, another ranking staff person arrived, I would order the Private back to attention and reissue the order. If order is refused, then I would place my hands on the Soldier and physically start moving the Soldier in the direction I want the Soldier to move. If there is resistance from the Soldier I would take the Soldier to the ground and inform the Soldier that you will obey and follow orders or suffer the repercussions for disobeying. Once this has been done, hopefully the Soldier would have a change of mindset and follow the order. My actions would have to be carried out in front of the other Soldiers as a deterrence mechanism that this could be you if displaying the same type disobedience.
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Well, because I already clarified my lawful order in a calm fashion, and this knucklehead decided to tell me to "shove it", it's time to introduce this troop to the wonderful world of UCMJ action (aka Article-15). Regardless of who you are and where you come from, EVERYONE typically responds to the loss of money out of their pay for disobeying a direct and lawful order, and being selected as "the example" of what NOT to do. Punishment needs to be swift, deliberate, meaningful, and in this unique case "public", in front of the unit, so as to discourage even the thought of anyone else questioning orders from superiors.
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Grab a stack of poker chips throw them down the stairs and have them gator crawl for each piece individually and make them sound off, "I AM NOT THE BOSS YOU ARE", until task is completed. Insubordination will be cleansed from this new dicks soul...
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I would tell him/her that I choose him because I knew he/she could do the job and if it meant life or death, I'm choosing life, so get busy!
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As a professional, the only way to "react" is to not "react" at all. The Sargent in question has the duty to take positive professional official action, not indulge in personal, punitive reaction. I have not read the details of this piece, and do not know the outcome of the confrontation. I will say this; Rank has it's privileges as well as it's responsibility. This case is no different from any other, and should be handled by applying discipline, official, constructive, effective discipline. Such discipline can take the form of a verbal chewing out, extra duty, company level action by the commanding officer, or even a court martial. The marvelous effectiveness of the American military machine is not based on fear of punishment, but on devotion to duty. There is no room for private vendettas, or acts of physical puniishment unilaterally doled out at the whim of a superior. Military or not, the participants here are American after all, therefore respect for the individual, and adherence to due process, and the rule of law apply. Soldiers are not prisoners, they are American citizens doing a difficult job, and from the top to the bottom, they all deserve the protection of the law.
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I really have never had this issue. However in my best former DI voice, I would remind him of his position in life.
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There should be certain circumstances when, "Smacking the shit out of someone," is completely appropriate. Some may say violence solves nothing, to those types, I call it cause and effect. We allow people to get away with so mich because we no longer have a fear of consequences that should be instilled in all of us. Will all the PC out there, we'll never get it back without allowing things to be handled the way it used to be.
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He can stand on the track and the rest will run...x miles....passing him standing there smirking.... let them take care of the problem..should he decide not to stand then...MP his ass
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tell him or her to suck it up and do the task if they dont like write the big boss at 1600 penn ave
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Dismiss the troops after the assignments and take this young man into an office and place this little butt head on report for disrespect and insubordination. You do not have to yell, no get in his face...that's what he wants but instead you look to the UCMJ to guide you. You can assign him office hours or Non Judicial punishment as justified for the insubordinate behavior...if this does not improve his "Attitude" then you need to get this piece of trash out of the service...
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I really have never had this issue. However in my best former DI voice, I would remind him of his position in life.
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