Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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Is this a joke? After telling them this is a verbal order and they still refused I would eat them up one side then the other. Then counsel them in writing and recommend extra duty. If it happens again I would write them up again and recommend disciplinary act to be taken. If you let them do this in front of other soldiers/sailors you are weak. if this the new military? Make an example out of them! Or they will of you!
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SFC Lynn Santosuosso
I never let this stuff happen in my platoon!! The Army needs to stop coddling these punks!
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GySgt Kenneth Pepper I wish I was under you. I had to work along side this attitude the whole 3 years I was in. Basic training, AIT and my unit. It was a nightmare. "Go sweep and mop the floors" "go f yourself I'm not sweeping or mopping shit" sure enough they didn't and got away with it. So the rest of us had to do their work plus ours. No, it was not just 1 soldier, it was a group of them. Yes, it started with 1 that got others to follow.
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SFC Lynn Santosuosso
Article 15's all around boys and girls! You don't want to work then we won't pay you!!
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GySgt Kenneth Pepper
I can't even fathom how they got away with not following orders. Too bad. I hop-e it didn't completely ruin your time in.
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GySgt Lenny Hume
That's the 'Army' for ya'. Go f' yourself, I'm not moppin' shit'? UNHEARD of in the Marine Corps. That behavior woud simply mean that Marine wants OUT. it's political, social, (& financial)lol suicide. : D
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in that case... Id have lost it. Old school for sure.. But in front of the unit you must maintain and let the rest know behavior of this type will not be tolerated step 2 to my office with his supervisor and my supervisor
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After reading through what some senior leadership have said and contrasting with my own experiences, I will go with their advice on this.
Public humiliation as a first resort is lazy grandstanding that does more harm than good.
Public humiliation as a first resort is lazy grandstanding that does more harm than good.
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Dismiss the group, except for the soon to be E-1. Document the incident, charge with insubordination, disobedience of a direct order and dereliction of duty (and whatever other charges are appropriate). Forward up the chain of command. Additionally, I would put him under control of the next senior individual for his work assignment. He's not leaving the unit area, except to go to his quarters or chow until the issue is resolved.
Would really want to give him some "Gear Locker Counselling", but not in this "snowflake" era.
Would really want to give him some "Gear Locker Counselling", but not in this "snowflake" era.
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"alright fucker, you don't have to do this detail." Then I would company grade him for insubordination, failure to follow a lawful order, and whatever else I could. Giving him 14/14, and half pay might change their mind. If not at least you're starting a paper trail su you can chapter them later
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I would hope that I could do the following...Turn to someone else and give them the task, then turn back to PV2 Snuffy and tell him that instead, the squad leader will take him to the Platoon Sergeant to whom he is now detailed for the day. The PSG should make it a very memorable (read traumatic) experience. Short that working...UCMJ...PV2 becomes PV1 and is very short on cash and busy for a while. (He may also "fall down some stairs" in the barracks as a result of fatigue from the extra duty). BTW...wasn't always a Chaplain...15 years Infantry...enlisted and officer.
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I would drop him in front og everyone till he pukes while i sing tiny bubbles onto my deck makes me happy, makes me smile.
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Times have changed and changing with them is imperitive. Basic training is done for the purpose of redifining the personalities of the individual onto the team concept. No is not an option and individuality is not how it gets done. I would have torn him a new one in front of the squad to prevent descension. The military lifestyle depends and thrives on team work and misfits need to understand that theyre actions can have a negative impact. As long as its a lawful order i own you.
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