Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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Continue handling our assignments and after finished release the rest for duty hold that one individual. Tell him one last time the job he is going to do if he says no again take him to next in command have him tell him the same thing plus give him extra duty or Article 15 or both and insure the rest know what happened.
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Inform him he is in violation of umcj.Make him understand an order is not a request and not up for debate.tell again what he is to do.if he still refuses take his pvt2 stripe.
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E2, permanent assignment ? Take to Top for re-education or Article-15 recommendation. Disobeying orders in the barracks means your useless to ME, and this unit in the field.
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He needs to learn his general orders and know what they mean to heart and that would require some hard core discipline to him and section leader shit rolls down hill
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Tell the little shit to stand fast after formation. After formation is dismissed, explain to them their deficiencies in judgment when disobeying a lawful order given by an NCO. After which, they can have time to explain their behavior. Lastly, make your decision; let it go, or have him doing Iron Mike's 'till the walls sweat.
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Wall to wall counseling always helped, that is right we don't do that anymore, so the next best thing is to work out that guttiness out of him
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I was never in the military, But I have the GREATEST respect for all who serve. Learn your place, work together, become a leader or a follower. But show disrespect, whatever happens, you deserve it! Take time to learn about the people you serve, who have been through there time and came out on top. You might just learn something from them.
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Not being one to punish in public, unless they absolutely bring it down on them self. Like this moron did when he disrespected an NCO in front of others. He'd get a firm ass chewing for everyone to hear, then stand fast, while everyone else carry on with the plan of the day. In the infantry I didn't have room for insubordination. That kinda crap gets people killed. So I'd punish in form of a heavy smoking, then I'd have to put that little smart ass pv2 on paper and nip his attitude in the butt.
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Well I was a Staff Sergeant so I would open a portal to hell and let him know jumping down there was going to be more enjoyable than standing in front of me any longer.
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Remove the E2 from formation. Tell him to remain and dismiss the formation as if nothing has happened. After explain the consequences of his actions. Appropriately discipline if necessary.
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It's a fine line to walk, if you strike him you could get in trouble for it. But you have to do something or you lose that sense of authority that you have with the rest of the platoon, he either does the task or Article 15 him for insubordination.
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I'm of the same schooling that you praise in public, reprimand in private. I had this happen before and this is how I dealt with it:
Morning Muster/Formation - In Port. I was delegating work for the day and about half way through Seaman S. Bhag is given his duty and doesn't like it. So he spouts off about his discontent. I tried to silence him initially but he refused to save the discussion. I gave a direct order to be quiet and retracted my assignment.
SN S. Bhag was feeling a bit victorious as I reassigned the work to somebody else. I then went on to assign other work to others and saved the worst of the jobs for last. You can guess who I assigned that job to. When everyone was released, he was the last to break from formation.
When everyone had moved into the workspaces, I paid a visit to check up on my people. The unruly Seaman was dredging along but working. That's when I decided for some undocumented "Extra Military Instruction." He complained about getting the crappy job but I explained that if he had kept his mouth shut in formation, he would have had the less crappy of jobs. I concluded with declaring that the next time that he has a concern about his work, he bring it up directly to me after the formation and no sooner. Failure to comply with this would result in disciplinary action.
Did this change the attitude of SN S. Bhag? No. He was just a bad seed overall.
I will say that he never challenged my authority in formation again, though!
Morning Muster/Formation - In Port. I was delegating work for the day and about half way through Seaman S. Bhag is given his duty and doesn't like it. So he spouts off about his discontent. I tried to silence him initially but he refused to save the discussion. I gave a direct order to be quiet and retracted my assignment.
SN S. Bhag was feeling a bit victorious as I reassigned the work to somebody else. I then went on to assign other work to others and saved the worst of the jobs for last. You can guess who I assigned that job to. When everyone was released, he was the last to break from formation.
When everyone had moved into the workspaces, I paid a visit to check up on my people. The unruly Seaman was dredging along but working. That's when I decided for some undocumented "Extra Military Instruction." He complained about getting the crappy job but I explained that if he had kept his mouth shut in formation, he would have had the less crappy of jobs. I concluded with declaring that the next time that he has a concern about his work, he bring it up directly to me after the formation and no sooner. Failure to comply with this would result in disciplinary action.
Did this change the attitude of SN S. Bhag? No. He was just a bad seed overall.
I will say that he never challenged my authority in formation again, though!
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Considering I am a civilian and have know leader skills or any act in the military i'm not sure. If I was a drill instructor and someone smart mouthed me I would most likely do the same. It doesn't matter if you are a civilian or a E2, never backtalk anyone that is at a higher standpoint than yourself. Its not only a sign of respect, its a act of obedience. You're set out to do a job in the military that you signed up for. No matter the situation.
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1 Question. WTF do they do in basic ??? What happen to the REAL ARMY. Are these the problems the "NEW ARMY" HAS ? WoW
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I carried myself pretty damn well and never had to worry about that. Had it ever happened, the Top Sergeant would be taking away some money from him/her, and the soldier would go back to E-1 and be doing some extra kp.
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