Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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If one acts up, then the others will suffer and he'll face his consequences.
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Body Slam Time, Have that Mouthpiece think about it,give him about 10 seconds, Then repeat your orders, then tell them ....comply to the orders that I gave you or you will stand before the CO, you're going to lose, restriction, money,loss of rank.
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I would dress him down verbally in front of the troops, then have him and his squad leader stand tall after dismissing the other troops. Advise the squad leader how I wanted him to work the disrespect out of him and then send them to do their Task. I would check and ensure on multiple times during the next few hours, days and weeks that they were doing their task together. I would also be rewriting the extra duty assignments to ensure that all the troops as well as E2 mouth and his team leader got all the extra duty they could stand for a couple weeks. After that peer pressure and leadership should stop this kind of disrespect.
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There's NO EXCUSE, EVER for insubordination. If not nipped early, and mercilessly lives are at risk. Period. There's no place for a snowflake. The way I figure it the parents and boot camp failed the cupcake.
So be it.
I'll fix this shit FAST, belowdecks Ending with my leg snapped off at the knee up cupcakes ass!
So be it.
I'll fix this shit FAST, belowdecks Ending with my leg snapped off at the knee up cupcakes ass!
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Entitled E5...Sound like a bunch of bad@sses on this site....Keyboard commandoes
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In the early 1960s, group punishment was often used to straighten out a smart mouthed recruit. Peer pressure got his attention faster than individual punishment.
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Obviously that kid didn't know his place in his formation luckily he's is still breathing, sad part is that punch probably costed the entire squad punishment. But he won't do it again I bet.
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While in front of the rest of the troops I would repeat my original order while also stating that I was not asking him to do it, that I was telling him to do it and stating that this type of behavior would not be tolerated by him or any others.
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simple drop him in front of the platoon and explain to him the chain of command then ask his squad leader why his man was getting out of line. then explain to them that was there first and only warning. they wont do that agen and if so the rest of the platoon will help keep them in line from then on. if not bring on ar15s for in subornation.
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A real hard BITCH Slap to the side of his face. If he reacts then a pucch to his throat to neutralize the the escalation.
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Been there done that. The first time, as an ETC I told the E5 to stand fast and I'd explain it to him one on one. I was onboard for 2 days at the time and had walked into an unmotivated shithole. The outgoing ETC wasn't a Chief, he was an E-7, big difference. The CWO missed being a Chief and had his hand on everything. I got the E-5's attention but it only lasted a couple months. The second time, everyone was watching to see if I'd hold my ground. After he'd interrupted quarters with a comment of "bullshit " about a tasking I took a deep breath and made eye contact. He was big eyed and scared. I said "ET2 Knucklehead meet me in the passageway...NOW. I put the LPO in charge and went out to wait for him. He stumbled outside all sweating and apologizing, Chief it slipped, never ever ever etc. I said look jackass, I've had enough. He got to stay late and wax decks and I made it clear that if there was ever another incident he wouldn't survive. I went back into quarters and finished up but sent him to berthing to start cleaning shitters. I found out later that some of the guys were wagering whether he was alive or not. I followed up by telling the outbound guy he couldn't come to quarters anymore and the told the Warrant he needed to go do Officer shit. The division had been slowly crumbling for awhile and it was the leaderships bust as much as the Sailors. They learned that we were back on track pretty quick and I didn't have hardly any trouble after that.
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I would give the task to the rest of the troops as this E2 suggested. Then I'd find another less pleasant task for this E2 to perform under the watchful eye of the rest of the troops. Finally, I'd bring the individual into a private room where I'd explain the responsibility to work as a team or probably be ostraciaed by the others in his command.
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Like the above comment, ask em to explain themselves after formation in private. If they are still defiant, I feel a 15 is a bit harsh as a first reaponce. Id vote for an LOR and volenteer the little shit for even more duties taking away some of their free time.
If the issue persists after, give em a 15 with work, possibly pay cuts.
If the issue persists after, give em a 15 with work, possibly pay cuts.
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pt until there is total muscle failure. my favorite is cherry pickers and mule kicks repeat until desired results achieved .
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OMFG he is right, there is another job for him and his Squad. I'd have all the other squad leader set forward, assign the additional work evenly between them. But before they depart they are to go in to the head and piss on anything and everything but the toilets and urinals. PFC nonqualdinkpuk and his squad will now commence to clean the company head with their fucking tooth brushes. After two hours a black light check to see how good a job is being done, they will stay there till the place in fucking spotless...
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