Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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I wish my answer was different, but in this Touchy Feely Damn World were everybody get's butt hurt
over everything, the Rules have unfortunately changed for the worst in my opinion, my first choice would have been to put a boot in there ass and make them pull twice the duty they were given!
over everything, the Rules have unfortunately changed for the worst in my opinion, my first choice would have been to put a boot in there ass and make them pull twice the duty they were given!
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Back in my day this would have gotten the E2 a whole world of hurt from the rest of the squad after they all pulled some really nasty duties.
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Simple enough, I will see him, his fireteam leader, and squad leader after formation. There will be a new asshole handed out to this new bag of ass, in which he will hold onto until I am finished PTing the old dumbass off of him. Which I'm sure would result in the casualties in this situation will be more than willing to take their turn teaching this young E-2 just how bad life can truly be if that is his wish.
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BTW, since this person is just E-2, clean Barracks, forgot Basics Training & AIT, ethics, needs a re-fresher course; nothing he or she hasn't had before.
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Calmly, have your write up; and information enfront of your platoon SGT E-6; if available, or the next NCOIC.
Available; next jobs; Battalion - Lawn, KP, once you speak to your Chain of Command; to see if this available.
Available; next jobs; Battalion - Lawn, KP, once you speak to your Chain of Command; to see if this available.
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at that point he is directly refusing an order from an NCO and I would in your position, (which i'm not i'm just a dumb E2 with less than a year in) either smoke the dog pi** out of him or hit him with a negative counseling depending on how many times he has done this. At least that is what it would be like here.
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when I was in he would do it or get his butt kicked.I was in in 1965 usmc for 4 years 2 years in nam .where doing what you are told counts.you give an order it is to carried out no question.but now days it is differant I think .they get the chance to mouth of to you and you are not suppose to touch them.I do not think I could take the new way
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It happened a few times. My main response was to ask what was the main problem, did you misunderstand or do you just not want to? A few times I actually got an honest answer of "I don't want to and you can't make me".... I smiled a little smile and very softly answered....."You're right smooth....I can't MAKE you do anything. But......(face closer)....I can damn sure make you wish you HAD! Five seconds, your choice.....NOW!
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First, pvt Shitbird would be pushing until he reached China, after his Article 15 he'd be on every shit detail I could find, I'd be his nemesis for as long as he was assigned to be.
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First off had I been the senior E-5 that young PVT. would be in a world of hurt. That being said the situation needs to be made clearer. Was the E-5 the immediate supervisor or squad leader platoon SGT. ect? Where did PVT. Snuffy come from another unit another section/squad ect? Finally had this conduct happen before and not dealt with?
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I don't know. I had great NCOs that handled that stuff for me. I'd listen to what they needed from me by way of support had that happened to them.
As a platoon leader, I had a former ROK Soldier who was an E5, last name Bunner. He had an issue and my platoon sergeant asked me to leave the area for an hour so they could deal with it.
That PV2 was never a problem after that and actually started to move from being a dirt bag to being someone with potential.
As a platoon leader, I had a former ROK Soldier who was an E5, last name Bunner. He had an issue and my platoon sergeant asked me to leave the area for an hour so they could deal with it.
That PV2 was never a problem after that and actually started to move from being a dirt bag to being someone with potential.
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Being a veteran, I never disrespected my sergeants. I looked to them for guidance. I would have smoked the crap out of the E2 so he will remember his place!
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There is only one way to react. Pull him out of formation and send him to the 1sg for Article 15. This namby pamby BS that is our military today needs to be brought under control. They have signed a contract ands sworn an oath to obey the orders of those appointed over them. If they can't do that, then a few more BCD's need to be handed out to show we mean business.
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In my day, he would probably receive some special counseling in the aft 5" magazine. This would be followed by all the worst shit details for the rest of his life, and never giving him a recommendation for advancement to E-3.
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Immediate reaction: "Half right face. Front leaning rest position, move!"
I am of the opinion, and experience, that insubordination needs to be dealt with quickly. You can speak with him about where it was coming from later. Right there and right then you need to be sure that everyone else knows who is really in charge, and it's not the E-2.
I am of the opinion, and experience, that insubordination needs to be dealt with quickly. You can speak with him about where it was coming from later. Right there and right then you need to be sure that everyone else knows who is really in charge, and it's not the E-2.
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Petty officer; that is gross insubordination and conduct unbecoming and should be dealt with with an Art. 15 at the most and "extra training and motivation" might be just the ticket. Have him dig fighting positions and refill them until they can't lift a shovel. Just my two cents.
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Well, it seems appropriate in this situation to ask the individual to stand fast, take a knee, and talk about their feelings and why they don't want to comply. After all, the military is here for them, not the other way around... In a universe far far away lol.
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