Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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Explain that if he wins, no more shitty work details, if I win no more questioning orders. Drop blouse. Roll him up. If you cannot do so let someone else be in charge. The Marine corps runs on prison rules. People respect strength and intelligence. Show the shit bird a great deal of both.
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In the Marine Infantry, LCpl Team Leaders would beat his ass, NCO not needed
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Sgt George Lawrence
Amen, Gunny. But the question is 100% hypothetical ... would never happen in the Corps, at least not when I served (1959-1963 grunt in the FMF, 1978-1980 Reserves but still a grunt).
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GySgt Ken Norwood
In my event mentioned above it was in 1973 and was in 3/2... So in this case it did happen in a grunt unit. The LCpl was a short timer and figured he didn't have to do what anyone told him. Had I let him get away with his actions then the whole platoon would have seen me as a weak leader and I would have been questioned on every order I issued. Fortunately my Company CO and the BN CO supported me 100%.
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As a former Sgt. E-5 during Shield / Storm our training and enforcement was intense and damn sure not what it is today. So if one of my FNG's were to give me any lip in front of my other teams it would happen like this...
Freeze in front private jackass, dismiss the rest of men, turn back to pvt. dumbass and ask him if he was aware that he is an Airborne Trooper?!?! If he is aware that we set the standard?!?! Give him the speech. Let the quiet settle a bit and depending on his reaction either make him aware of the shit we're preping to walk into and why no is not acceptable and make him aware that it won't be tolerated EVER AGAIN. Or I would put him on shit detail at every opportunity constantly reminding him of why no is not tolerated. If that doesn't work then he may just trip and fall a couple of times!!
Freeze in front private jackass, dismiss the rest of men, turn back to pvt. dumbass and ask him if he was aware that he is an Airborne Trooper?!?! If he is aware that we set the standard?!?! Give him the speech. Let the quiet settle a bit and depending on his reaction either make him aware of the shit we're preping to walk into and why no is not acceptable and make him aware that it won't be tolerated EVER AGAIN. Or I would put him on shit detail at every opportunity constantly reminding him of why no is not tolerated. If that doesn't work then he may just trip and fall a couple of times!!
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What did you say to me private!?!? (announced to the entire formation)...Well, since one of "you all's) battle buddy decides NOT to follow instructions, then you all will suffer! The rest will be taken care of.
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GySgt Ken Norwood
As a Admin type you should certainly understand mass punishment is not authorized!
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An order is an order, and is that a Brown Round???? This look more like an updated Boot barracks than my base housing...... Either way, You Follow Orders...
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Although I have never been an E5... I have actually been in this situation.... i was a stupid cocky little E3 and my E6 told me to do something that was just in better words point less to do... and i told him that what he told me to was stupid and that I was not doing it..... 3 hours later after the room was covered in my sweat i learned my lesson and never questioned a SGT again...
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