Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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I had to chapter out a good SGT because he kept being late. I didn't know him personally. I was just handed 7 soldiers and told, They're your responsibility, get em out of here. Later I found out the real story. E5, 6 years in, arms room NCO. Suddenly he was late every time the arms room needed to be opened for any reason. 1SG loathed anyone who was late; it was his personal pet peeve. Before you could say Armorer, this E5 went from NCO to SPC to PFC. AND NO ONE EVER ASKED HIM WHY....until this young LT finally took him aside and had a talk with him. Turns out his wife left him And their child, only 3 years old. This soldier had no idea how to handle single parenthood. He had no resources or family and didn't know what to do with a 3 yr old when he had to open an arms room at 0200-0300 hours before day care opens. This LT gave him some phone numbers and resources and BAM! Problem solved. He was never late again. But it was too late. 1SG was determined to destroy his career. 6 years steller service...and resentment and stress and life and a really bad 1SG, only made it worse. All he needed was someone to talk to him once and offer him a hand. We're still friends even though I had to do my duty. He's a wonderful person, a good parent and on his way to finishing his bachelors. So when I hear some say we should expect soldiers to just obey and ignore their personhood...I say, No. That isnt your only job. Yes I need to accomplish my mission but a Good leader know the Welfare of their soldier is in that creed as well. And if you aren't checking the welfare of your soldiers, its just laziness on your part. I know my soldiers and will always place their needs above my own doesn't just mean letting them eat in the chow line first and asking them where they're from. No one gives a damn where you're from. Tell me where you're going and how we can get there, together
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Step back regarding group get your temper under control, then give the private a order to do the job if he smarts off AR 15, restriction, extra duty his butt
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You drop the whole Platoon and hold them in the Front Leaning Rest until you get tired. Then you smoke the crap out of them, until that menial detail you gave them seems like a superior task!!!! Ain't that right Maggot!!!! And you repeat the cycle until you receive their full cooperation!!!! I would not let that private "Eye (Blank) me either" I would let him know I'd rip his filthy eyes out of his sockets!!!! Old School Military!!!
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Punishment right then and there, Drop and push until you agree to do it and if you don't, art 15 and recycle. If you don't stop it then and there, no one there will respect you and no one will follow your orders.
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honestly after hearing from both older brothers and my father how basic was i know how id have handled it and to the point id tell him drop give me 50 and if he refused id say well then wanna go that route today huh all wile walking around him then swift foot to rear knee and crouch down and explain that it wasnt a request and next time it wouldnt be a foot
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Platoon, Atten shun......Half Right Face, Front Leaning Rest Position.......Ho, now lets see how many pushups we can do while Pv2 Dumbass considers his options
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I've been in a similar situation, not to that extreme, but the results were unsavory. I ended up going AWOL for 3 days and spent 30 days in CCF. After my release from there, I found that the Sgt., my reason for AWOL had been released from our platoon. I never had a problem afterwards.
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Hand him or her over to a very capable and motivated NCO for some extra attention and go from there...
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I have given you a lawful order" and you are you refusing to obey it, What is your reason for doing so? If not a good reason Take legal action at once. If in active combat any action needed depending on circumstance; such as costing the lives of fellow troops. it could include if needed a bullet for cowardice in the face of the enemy.
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Something like this undermines your authority and rank and ability to lead and command which is why it can not be tolerated. Punishment needs to be quick and immediate and obvious for other subordinates to see so that they learn and realize that something like this is not and can not be tolerated in the military.
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Automatic discipline! Severe verbal beat down of the bug in front of the others front and center. Double PT until I feel my point has gotten across.
If in boot camp then drop for 50 holding 50th at 1/2" off the deck until I tell you get your ass up and fall in. If this does no good then go up the chain of command.
If in boot camp then drop for 50 holding 50th at 1/2" off the deck until I tell you get your ass up and fall in. If this does no good then go up the chain of command.
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Well in the Corps, at least 3rd Trax, LSB, LAR, Tanks, Heavy Weapons, 5th Marines, the 1st MAR DIV as a whole. My TOP or 1stSgt would have called me into the office and suggested that I visit the Marine in question in his room during Field Day. Or if an NCO or boot louie made the suggestion I would wait for a fueld op. Non-NCO's must maintain the discipline of Non-NCO's. Semper Fidelis my military cousins.
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I think pulling him aside privately and then question him as to his motive. If has no reason other than laziness, I would tell him that he was restricted to barracks along with the platoon. If he didnt want to be a team member, then he can let them know it and then, if he still refused, I would send him to counciling under guard and have him evaluated for an ARt15.
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I would slap the piss out of him. If that didn't work, we would go out back
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