Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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I come from a VERY military strong family ie Corps brat, Army Mom, Navy wife, AF ex-wife, Navy grand-daughter, etc....even though I wasn't eligible to enlist myself, insubordination should be handled IMMEDIATELY with proper discipline ie slap in the face, kick in the ass, whatever it takes to get the point across that you are NO LONGER A CIVILIAN, BUT PROPERTY OF THE UNITED STATES MILITARY, THEREFORE, YOU NO LONGER HAVE AN OPINION, WANTS, THOUGHTS, OR DESIRES...YOU ARE TO DO AS INSTRUCTED OR TOLD TO DO! End of story
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It does not matter what this individual has going on in his life. If I gave you an order, you have 2 options. Question its legality or do it. Anything else would would result in a swift and public punishment. I can usually use a hole dug for a reason that I might think of later.
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Tell him that he will do it, or he can spend the day cleaning the head... I would guess the 'proper' way to handle it would be to put him on report. Doubt he'd want to go to mast... it sucks having to resort to that, but sometimes it's needed. In my 4 years, I only had to write up one person.
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I once had an individual who was constantly disrespecting his superiors. On the day in question, he actually stretched out on the deck in the back of the room while a Commander was giving instruction. When the class was over, I very quietly informed him that they only time I ever wanted to see him on the deck again is if I put him there. He just rolled his eyes. I guess I was a mite negligent when I failed to inform him that I was slated to be the next instructor & that I was going to be speaking about weapons retention & close quarters combat. To make sure that he stayed awake, he "Volunteered" to be my assistant instructor. During the next hour or so, he had many opportunities to become intimate with the deck on many occasions. He also learned a few things about pain compliance. After this lesson, there were no further problems as long as he sat on the front row & paid attention.
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Dismiss formation. Have private stand fast with battle buddy and squad leader. Remind that private on what a direct order means and what the articles under UCMJ dictate about insubordination in my Army. While I'm torqueing this soldier's mind and body... automatic counseling statement, with a garuntee of article 15 for continuation of such behavior......
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Not physically touch him. But PT the hell out of him untill he's hurting worse than anything I could do
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That's blatant disregard to a direct order from a noncommissioned officer. I don't know what I would do since I'm not an NCO, but I hope I am never that disrespectful to my superiors. If you don't like the task you were given, talk about it with respect and tact, if you still have to do it, deal with it.
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SPC Jordan Brown
Not only is it a blatant disregard to an order, its DISRESPECT to an NCO, that makes two offenses.
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I may be just a civilian but if I was in a Drill Instructors shoes, I was rip him a new one, tell him to drop and give me 300 pushups, tell him to report to the Senior Drill Instructor of this barracks building, if he refuses, I'd call the Military Police for refusal of work being issued, now in a civilian matter I've ignored a manager of mine because of job discrimination, I quit before my manager could fire me!
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Call him in "AFTER" dismissed... then have a calm discussion about "REALITY"....!
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This is a simple one:
ALWAYS USE THE CHAIN OF COMMAND. And so, first, order said offender to report to your office, when summoned. This is done immediately in front of witnesses to avoid and confusion when said individuals may be called by a convening board for testimony if needed. Arrange for you supervisor to attend the planned counseling session with said offender. Document said offense to obey a lawful order, in writing, on an LOC (Letter of Counseling). Stick to the facts and remain completely objective when said subordinate is ultimately summoned to your office. When military member appears before you inform them why they are receiving a LOC and that their signature on said document is required in accordance with Military policies, procedures and the UCMJ. If need be, consult with 1st Sgt. and /or staff Judge Advocate for any legal guidance regarding UCMJ and MCM. During said LOC session with offender allow them to read the LOC narrative you've prepared, have them sign it (required) which merely shows acknowledgement of the documents existence and advise that individual they have to the right to provide, in writing, and mitigating circumstances that would explain their failure to comply with military customs, courtesy's, traditions and lawful orders. There's so much more. Basically, as this person's supervisor, you've taken the first step toward separating this person from Military service under less than honorable conditions. Their screwed....
ALWAYS USE THE CHAIN OF COMMAND. And so, first, order said offender to report to your office, when summoned. This is done immediately in front of witnesses to avoid and confusion when said individuals may be called by a convening board for testimony if needed. Arrange for you supervisor to attend the planned counseling session with said offender. Document said offense to obey a lawful order, in writing, on an LOC (Letter of Counseling). Stick to the facts and remain completely objective when said subordinate is ultimately summoned to your office. When military member appears before you inform them why they are receiving a LOC and that their signature on said document is required in accordance with Military policies, procedures and the UCMJ. If need be, consult with 1st Sgt. and /or staff Judge Advocate for any legal guidance regarding UCMJ and MCM. During said LOC session with offender allow them to read the LOC narrative you've prepared, have them sign it (required) which merely shows acknowledgement of the documents existence and advise that individual they have to the right to provide, in writing, and mitigating circumstances that would explain their failure to comply with military customs, courtesy's, traditions and lawful orders. There's so much more. Basically, as this person's supervisor, you've taken the first step toward separating this person from Military service under less than honorable conditions. Their screwed....
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I was a Senior NCO during my stint with the Army. If a Soldier had decided to disrespect me--especially in formation, he or she would be formally counseled. Also, there would be some "corrective action/training" going on. I would definitely write him or her up and when the time for the Soldier to be promoted, I'd ensure that he or she didn't get promoted. For the most part, whenever my Soldiers weren't acting like themselves, I would generally want to know what the underlying issue is prior to taking action. I would have to find out what was up with this Soldier for him or her to disrespect me. No doubt about it, I still would want to find out what the deal is prior to taking SERIOUS actions.
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I was one of those arrogant pfc's . I learned my lesson by being sent to corrective custody and forature of pay.
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Reassign the duty to someone else, then have the E2 do so much exercise and other things he would wish he had obeyed the first duty.
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Suit up dip shit your the next one to go overboard and this is not a drill.
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This is all these millineum generations. The way I see it he opens his mouth to upper NCO then he needs to get throat punched just for beING disrespectful. Didn't realize we have baby in the military now. You think if you were a POW that your captives wouldnt beat the sh!t out of you. If you don't follow a order. All I'm going to say the military is not a democracy it is dictatorship. The rules come from the top they need to be followed.
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