Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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Give him that job for an entire week then give him bathroom detail for a week and pt early and twice a day for a week. Make him to 1500 push ups and 4000 sit ups and 200 crunches due by the next roll call
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But then again I haven't been to basic but everyone tells me that is what would happen and you'd most likely get an ART15 and the business end of a boot back home
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politely ask him to get in the prone position . then step on his throat .& tell him , I am here to try to save your life . In real life you do not have the choice . And this is real life !
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I would do the same thing I did to a PFC in Vietnam when he refused my orders. I took him to the Co.and had him wait out side the office.I told the Co. what had happened and the soldiers name rank. and what he had orders to do.I recommended the Co. serve an article 15 to the soldier. The
Co. followed through with the charges and busted the soldier back down to a PVT E-1. the soldier also refused the same order from the Co. He was later that day transferred to HHC as a undesirable.
Co. followed through with the charges and busted the soldier back down to a PVT E-1. the soldier also refused the same order from the Co. He was later that day transferred to HHC as a undesirable.
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After hours EMI and if continued disobedience then 1/2 day motivation at CC facility at Stone Point. Inform PFC continued disobedience will result in page 11 counseling and reflection in PRO/CON marks followed by article 32 office hours and/or court-martial as necessary.
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As an NCO, it is up to you to set the standard from the start. Conduct your self as an NCO. You have a sit down with all new people coming under your command. You tell them what you expect of them and what you will not put up with, period. In my 40 years in the military, I have never had a problem like that. You have to set the frame work that makes them willing to follow you esp. in combat. Every day you are training them for combat, that is the bottom line.
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I would be dumbfounded at their audacity for a split second, then I would set his whole life on fire.
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I come from a VERY military strong family ie Corps brat, Army Mom, Navy wife, AF ex-wife, Navy grand-daughter, etc....even though I wasn't eligible to enlist myself, insubordination should be handled IMMEDIATELY with proper discipline ie slap in the face, kick in the ass, whatever it takes to get the point across that you are NO LONGER A CIVILIAN, BUT PROPERTY OF THE UNITED STATES MILITARY, THEREFORE, YOU NO LONGER HAVE AN OPINION, WANTS, THOUGHTS, OR DESIRES...YOU ARE TO DO AS INSTRUCTED OR TOLD TO DO! End of story
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It does not matter what this individual has going on in his life. If I gave you an order, you have 2 options. Question its legality or do it. Anything else would would result in a swift and public punishment. I can usually use a hole dug for a reason that I might think of later.
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Tell him that he will do it, or he can spend the day cleaning the head... I would guess the 'proper' way to handle it would be to put him on report. Doubt he'd want to go to mast... it sucks having to resort to that, but sometimes it's needed. In my 4 years, I only had to write up one person.
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I once had an individual who was constantly disrespecting his superiors. On the day in question, he actually stretched out on the deck in the back of the room while a Commander was giving instruction. When the class was over, I very quietly informed him that they only time I ever wanted to see him on the deck again is if I put him there. He just rolled his eyes. I guess I was a mite negligent when I failed to inform him that I was slated to be the next instructor & that I was going to be speaking about weapons retention & close quarters combat. To make sure that he stayed awake, he "Volunteered" to be my assistant instructor. During the next hour or so, he had many opportunities to become intimate with the deck on many occasions. He also learned a few things about pain compliance. After this lesson, there were no further problems as long as he sat on the front row & paid attention.
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Dismiss formation. Have private stand fast with battle buddy and squad leader. Remind that private on what a direct order means and what the articles under UCMJ dictate about insubordination in my Army. While I'm torqueing this soldier's mind and body... automatic counseling statement, with a garuntee of article 15 for continuation of such behavior......
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Not physically touch him. But PT the hell out of him untill he's hurting worse than anything I could do
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That's blatant disregard to a direct order from a noncommissioned officer. I don't know what I would do since I'm not an NCO, but I hope I am never that disrespectful to my superiors. If you don't like the task you were given, talk about it with respect and tact, if you still have to do it, deal with it.
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SPC Jordan Brown
Not only is it a blatant disregard to an order, its DISRESPECT to an NCO, that makes two offenses.
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I may be just a civilian but if I was in a Drill Instructors shoes, I was rip him a new one, tell him to drop and give me 300 pushups, tell him to report to the Senior Drill Instructor of this barracks building, if he refuses, I'd call the Military Police for refusal of work being issued, now in a civilian matter I've ignored a manager of mine because of job discrimination, I quit before my manager could fire me!
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