Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
Posted 9 y ago
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In my day the 60's take him out back of the barracks and have a serious conversation about the head and shoulders with my fists, however that is not acceptable any longer
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Re-affirm and direct, where did an E-2 get the idea that they had an opinion? If there is an issue with an order subordinates must understand the protocols for dealing with it. It's open defiance, the E-2 has already earned the Article 15 they can debate the lawfulness of the order with command. If upon redirection the E-2 continues to refuse they are removed from the formation (publicly) and held by the MA until I've finished with my routines...Then we'll discuss bearing and protocol.
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Dog 'em out. Tell him who I am and what he is supposed to be, while he is doing push-ups from here to eternity or at least until i get tired. He gets all the shit detail all week.
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I would light his ass up so that the rest of the division didn't think I was a push over and I would give him every single miserable crap job that no one wants to do until he requested TAD orders out of my division. I would have that dude cleaning bilges, scrubbing deck plates, mandatory berthing head cleaning three times a day, not to mention a report chit and a trip to the chief's mess. This is the military, if you singed up to be a problem you will be dealt with accordingly. Luckily for the rest of us who joined the military for the right reasons, the people like the guy in this example usually end up getting themselves either kicked out, or restricted to the point where they no longer hinder the rest of the division.
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Simply inform smart ass that what you have told them should be considered a lawful order. If they keep up the smart ass routine, and refuse to do the work, Article 15 for failing to obey a lawful order and insubordination.
If it continues, process ass-eyes for a discharge.
If it continues, process ass-eyes for a discharge.
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As it's an Order, the E2 must explain why it can't preform the Order..usually, from the front leaning rest position....
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would never happen telling a sgt your not gonna do it or give it to someone else.
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If i was the E5 I would drop everyone pt them for an hour still give private orders let the other disipline the pvt on there own time
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Drop the entire company except the Big mouth e2 mash them and then let them sort shit out
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I would slap the fuck out of him and demand that he give me a hundred fifty push ups
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In the Air Force I would first pull that member into my office and get to the bottom of the issue. I have learned never to jump to conclusions and to know all the circumstances in the member's life. Depending on the circumstances, some form of administrative action is definitely warranted, but mental health or a chaplain may need to be involved as well. However, if after investigating, the member is having a power contest with the superior, I (or a member higher in the chain) would issue a written reprimand with the member in full service dress at attention directing the member this is the member's only warning before the First Sergeant recommends punitive action to the Commander and good order and discipline is expected.
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when I first joined you don't talk back to your NCO's or else you will be in the dark side.. I mean extra duty until you get tired.. Not in today's military.
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In my day my boot would be so far up is ads he could taste the boot polish
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Let your local squad "mafia" do their job,by helping him in his task.Send a BIGGER guy who knows his job.
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take him outside for some fun in the sun...add whatever activity comes mind.
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Senior Drill SGT. for 2.5 yrs, an Infantry Plt. Sgt. for 11 yrs. Never had this happen to me. Deportment, and demeanor by a leader will nip this kind of behavior in the bud. But if it did. Sqd.Ldr and I would inform the soldier of a recommendation for an Art. 15. No buts or reasons accepted!
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PO2 Brett Rowland
Could read them the riot act too. I heard this happening before but not in my outfit.
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