Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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In today's politically correct world, your actions can ruin your career, even if they were the right one. My response would be to lock his heals and tell him to be quiet immediately. Setting the tone for discipline in a unit must be adhered to with all troops present. Then I would dismiss the rest of the unit and deal with the troop with his Team Leader. Leadership is more thank Barking orders, inspiring troops to follow, along with a little fear works well. For those that don't have that fear or discipline, there are great administrative tools to get their attention and or remove them from the service. Having been a private once, and rolled my eyes at my squad leader for something. I remember picking myself up off the ground and determined that maintaining my discipline was a far healthier thing to.do. I cannot say I have not "adjusted" a few attitudes in my day. But the political climate was different in the 80's and 90's. The best leadership advise if received in my career, and I used it for 24 years, " Always be professional, and never make it personal " once you lose your honor, it's almost impossible to get it back.
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I enlisted before Volar came into the picture. I believe in the 'old school' methods! Need I say more?
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If he is going to smart mouth an NCO or Officer in front of the formation, the person on the receiving end has to respond right there to have any credibility with the others. My response as a commissioned officer would be to tell the 1SG to handle it and tell him/her in front of the soldier to let me know if you want him in front of my desk. And if he does come to me, tell him to put his rank in one hand and his money in the other and I will take what I want. But he is guaranteed not to leave my office with all he came in with.
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The sgt should make an point to my te detail more the a little task and tell them they will do or all day PT
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He needs to be me an example of so that leadership is not questioned again. I would tell him to standby then direct him to my office and request the presence of my Chief, who I will fill in with the details before both of us meeting the insubordinate and we shall proceed to light him up, followed by "corrective" training.
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Did I just hear you right you do not want to do the task at hand. Do realize you just disobeyed a lawful order. Now I highly suggest you get busy and do what your ordered to do. When you are done report to me.
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Pull the young man and his squad or team leader aside and explain his options along with a counseling statement and a little extra duty. This is NCO business and should be conducted that way. If further discipline is needed, you may need to take it up your chain of command depending on the circumstances or offence. Re member NCO Business First.
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SMOKE HIM AND THE PLATOON, THEY ARE ALL ONE , if one of you screws up your all pay for it, this builds unity over time ,this individual must learn that his fellow E2s will NOT put up with his attitude either ,shape up ,shut up and complete your task that is given , or be P.T.ed so hard you puke ,piss, and pass out , I've been a military brat from day 1 next in line to sign up and serve, my father used to smoke my brother and I ,it didn't matter who messed up we both got pt and both clean, there are 3 things I've learned from this it's to have honor, integrity, and unity those 3 key skills will take you and your team a long way once obtained and utilized by all in your platoon including you and your platoon commander
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If they want to disrespect and embarrass me, well it's only fair to punish them. They'd be in the front leaning rest real quick. If they continued to act as such, they would also be facing an article 15 for disrespecting a noncommissioned officer, and be put on extra duty.
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I would place PV2 Whoever at parade rest, remind him or her of their General Order number (2). Discipline is a must and then make him/her give a class on following military lawful orders. Last but not least if he/she doesn't comply, then I would have no choice but to PT the dog shit outta them, give them a Article 15 and or recommend a court martial and confinement.
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You signed up in an organization that deals in the chain of command. Do as your told.
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destroy his soul, point blank, period, .com for all those googles out there. I would disassemble his ass like an M4, put him back together, conduct a functions check on him to make sure he was firing within the proper parameters and if not, I would tag his ass Non-Mission Capable and send his ass to the Depot yard. All Soldiers Love Discipline, that's why they joined the military. Always remember its the politicians who don't like discipline, not the troops. Charging hard produces Hard chargers!!! Lead the fight and fight to lead, that the moto I stand by. I am no old school Soldier, but I was raised by an old school soldier who would have stuck his spit shined boot right up my 4th point of contact if I disrespected him and I have always looked at my seniors in the same light.
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Send the rest of your troops out of the barracks quickly-tell them you have to handle the situation with a soon-to-be former soldier. Have him put his gear down and stand next to a wall-at attention. Quietly, but firmly explain that disobeying an order in a combat situation is a criminal offense and could resolved with a bullet in the back of the head. In peacetime it could mean charges that lead to a dishonorable discharge which will ruin every day of that young man's life. If he has a problem with something, tell him you'll talk with him at the end of the day-after he finishes his assigned duty. If he doesn't like the military he can see the CO for a General Discharge-McDonalds always needs a fry cook. Tell him, in no uncertain terms, that you're the boss, and disobeying or refusing an order from a superior will land him in more trouble than he can imagine In '68, I had an E3 refuse his KP duty and was going bed. Five minutes later two MPs escorted him out of the barracks-that sent a message to everyone.
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