Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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Chinese field day the shop for the whole day. Him and his peers. Then I guarantee no more lip
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Smoke his ass till he can no longer move then smoke his ass some more the military no matter what branch is a team no one soldier is better than any other a soldier who thinks he is above a task no matter how small that task is is a dangerous thing and needs to be corrected or removed
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Regulate the little shits airflow for a little while, and explain the chain of command and ucmj
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"Well, Privet individual had decided that the rest of the platoon is out of shape. We are going to forgo the the assignment and exercise instead! Privet you stand right there and watch, I wouldn't want you doing anything you wouldn't want to do. ON YOU FACES!!! EXERCISE!!!"
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SPC James Lister
Pretty sure after his accident, the next morning he just may want to take the assignment given to him. That is if he is physically able.
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remind the private that he'd been given a lawful order by an NCO and that if you fails to follow that order he is in Jeopardy of being punished under UCMJ and then smoke his ass in the front leaning rest position for a good 45 minutes
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If your stupid enough to smart mouth in formation you deserve what you get.
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I would instruct him to get in the front leaning rest position. Mountain Climbers, move. 1-2-3 1. 1-2-3 2 1-2-3 3- until he concedes.
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SGT Terry Sherman
Of course I would dismis the other troops. After the ordeal with the mountain climbers I would the counsel and explain his options.
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Well my sages would have removed there shirt and and politely given me a chance to prove how big those balls were and after I would have had to do as ordered
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I guess everybody will be doing motivation PT Because E2 does want to do his assignment so now he and everybody has time for some motivation PT. I bet his fellow troopers will thank him later
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The old days, direct physical confrontation. Now days, ride their ass till they truly regretted it.
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Not very well. I put my time in as well as my life for a good while and someone just coming in no that wouldn't go well at all. I did 4 years in a Drill Sargeant Unit and I'm telling you I learned so much from them!
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Been faced with similar situations several times. ( 30 years....private thru the ranks to captain) This must not be allowed to stand. You can not afford to lose this confrontation. FIRST Praise in public/ punish in private. All troops, but the "smart mouth" are put to work under your second in rank, elsewhere. SECOND You retain a reliable witness. Never be alone with the "smart mouth".... when the situation gets tight he will use everything he can including counter charges against you THIRD you address "smart mouth " in a calm low voice. You ask the malcontent if he understands the seriousness of disobeying a lawful order of an NCO... You give him one last chance to explain himself and / or comply. If he has no valid reason for his actions and still does not comply.....you along with your witness march his tired ass to the platoon sergeant and request disciplinary action
Several things you should do and / or not do.... Never threaten a specific punishment; if he fails to get that specific punishment he will consider it a win..... prepare for such a possible situation by coordinating with the platoon sergeant in advance stating that IF you find it necessary to bring a problem to him you expect his full support..... you try to settle all problems yourself but do not hesitate to use the chain of command as a last resort..... there are two types of punishment ( unofficial) internal without a record (official) UCMJ.... again try to be unofficial as much as possible ( you do not want to air your dirty laundry or give the command the impression you can not handle problems).... never touch the man.... lose your temper.... or raise your voice ( quiet controlled voice is much more threatening if handled right)
As a Drill Sergeant I had two attempts on my life....$300 dollars damage to my car.....and had a gun shoved in my gut.....I handled them all..... they do not control you; YOU command them
Be fair.... be just..... be firm
Several things you should do and / or not do.... Never threaten a specific punishment; if he fails to get that specific punishment he will consider it a win..... prepare for such a possible situation by coordinating with the platoon sergeant in advance stating that IF you find it necessary to bring a problem to him you expect his full support..... you try to settle all problems yourself but do not hesitate to use the chain of command as a last resort..... there are two types of punishment ( unofficial) internal without a record (official) UCMJ.... again try to be unofficial as much as possible ( you do not want to air your dirty laundry or give the command the impression you can not handle problems).... never touch the man.... lose your temper.... or raise your voice ( quiet controlled voice is much more threatening if handled right)
As a Drill Sergeant I had two attempts on my life....$300 dollars damage to my car.....and had a gun shoved in my gut.....I handled them all..... they do not control you; YOU command them
Be fair.... be just..... be firm
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Don't worry private I got the fix for your buddy fucking ass...Half right face!!! Smoke him until he meets Jesus and once he sees the light give him his task. Blue Falcons must be reminded of there place in the hierarchy. Your opinion is invalid and unwanted you now have a purpose serve it.
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You tell the PFC to take the day off and do whatever he wants. The others will pick up his slack as we are Marines and it is critical to work as a team . Then you grind the others into the ground, reminding them every moment that they are picking up the slack for the PFC. You constantly direct the others to look at the PFC who is the cause of the team short fall. Remind them that he may not want to carry his brother out of harms way. He doesn't feel like protecting his brothers today. Why should he have to do anything? the team will take care of the shortfall. Guaranteed he will be following orders for the rest of his time of service after just one night of sleep, or lack thereof.
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You tell this Private that if the Army wanted him to have an opinion CIF would have issued him one.
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